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Maybe, the more potential proof, the better.

In other words you are saying that if my gun doesn't pass proof and I refuse to fix it then the proof house should have the power to take my PROPERTY and destroy it? This fantasy proof house can kiss me where my hair grows short and the smell grows strong.

$600 for that service is ridiculous, I think in the Uk it is $150 for the real deal i.e. excluding user stupidity ,no normal load (what the gun is proofed for) will damage the gun or you , regards, Mike

I think you are right, the fantasy proof house is unlikely in the US and this whole discussion is probably moot....but if there is one, I believe it should have the power to prevent you from passing your unsafe and dangerous gun off to the next unsuspecting consumer.

Since I have never sold a gun in my life and never will this little problem would be handed down to the people who inherit my guns. In which case I don't think this fantasy proof house would get anywhere with them either because they are even more independent, freedom loving, and just plain ornery than me.

Buzz, I'm pretty much with you on all of the above. Gun control . . . Everyone knows about the Iowa Caucuses. What they probably don't know is that, in addition to voting for your party nominee for president, you also get to propose planks for the state party platform. At my 2008 caucus, I proposed that the Iowa CC law be changed from "may issue" to "shall issue". (Another attendee proposed the friendly amendment of "with reciprocity with other states", which I was happy to accept.) Iowa now has shall issue, with reciprocity. I'm guessing I wasn't the only person, in all the caucuses statewide, to make that proposal--but I'm proud to say that I'm the one who made it at my caucus. So that's where I stand on gun control.

As I understand the way the British proofhouse works, if a gun fails proof, it goes back to its owner--who can keep it, hang it on the wall, whatever, but cannot sell it. (Of course if it's a catastrophic failure, that pretty much settles the issue.) I wouldn't want whatever American proofing system we came up with to go beyond that, and like you I would not want to see any "gun control" aspects come from it.

Some entity would have to enforce this "no sale of unproofed" guns as well as record the guns in proof. Otherwise, you could stamp a proof mark on any gun you wanted to.

Thus, someone other than the owner and maker, has authority over your gun. To assume this is a benign entity is presumptious.

Larry,

I think that a gun that failed proof in Britian has a cut made into the chamber area. Then it cannot even be sleeved!

If I am incorrect perhaps on of our British members will advise.

Mark

The British handgun ban and amendment are very recent events and seem to be largely knee jerk reactions to isolated highly publicized crimes. I wonder how British law enforcement knew where all the handguns were, at least the legal ones, that needed rounding up.

Genelang, to answer your question. It would be the Proof House authorities that would take the offender to court as they could supply the expert evidence. I wouuld doubt if the 'government' would even know or care much as they would not bear the expense.

A gun failing proof just comes back to the person who submitted it. Nothing cut out of the barrel or anything. It can always be repaired and re-submitted. I have only had one fail proof and that was a little 20 bore hammer gun where the action cracked and it bent like a banana; barrels were o.k. The gun was repaired by the Gunsmith by stainless steel welding and re-submitted and it passed. I could sell it legally but I intend to keep that one anyway.

Craigd. I agree that our handgun ban was unfair and descriminatory. It wasn't the Proof House that supplied any information as they don't keep such detailed records. All handgun owners were registered with the Police and that is why it only affected legitimateley owned guns. Being close to election time was the driving factor on this one. It only affected England, Wales and Scotland as Northern Ireland were allowed to keep theirs as the government deceided that there was little evidence of firearms misuse in N. Ireland; the IRA, like fairies, therefore don't exsist. The Channel Islands and Isle of Man were not affected either.

Out of proof guns can be sold as the Proof House will issue certificates of unpovability in the case of intesting old guns in original condition that can then be sold as curios unintended for use. This is usually in the case of something with and unusual patent action that is rare and should be preserved. This allows it to be sold if accompanied with the relevent certificate.

The Proof House has been in exsistence since America was but a fledgling colony and it seems to have served us well without any problems so far. Lagopus.....