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Raimey, I don't find Charles Daly guns in SD%G Catalogs of 1919 and 1918. Do Daly guns appear in later VL%A or VL&D catalogs ? I had a similar question but mine was more centered around the offerings of Sloan's Department store. Something's amiss. In 1919/1920 The Henry Modell Company was peddling surplus government underware & taking GI tents and making shirts/pants, something of the like. They were in the garment business. I've read several consumer letters where Theodore W. Stake answers in 1918-1920 that S,D&G has the stock, they can obtain an order, etc. and that in 1919 they are going to keep their prices at pre-1918 levels. Translating this Polish version says that Sloan's purchased it in 1919: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Daly . Could be a typo and I don't think anyone knows the rest of the story just yet. But I will tell/restate this. Post 1919 - the Brothers Adamy seem to be the source for upper rung offerings thru Sloan's and I'm fairly confident that they were heavily relied on for their superb talent, which is even evident today. I'd purge the boys Schüler from list of possibilities as they seem to be fluff and just trying to get a foot in the door. Once again the maker seems to be an unsung craftsman. Thanks to a very obliging member I have now seen a 1926 proofed SBT with both an RS and HAL over crossed sidearms. Sure one could say that it was leftover stock regarding H.A. Lindner & RS, which I think with high probability to be Robert Schlegelmilch of Meiningen. As Ken notes S,D&G finally and rigidly re-established ties to Germany in 1924 after WWI. It was about that same year that Robert Schlegelmilch closed his business. I would say that there was a supply of tubes and with Lindner's control mark at least 1 last sporting arm was completed under his every watchful eye. I'll try to get some images posted. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Lindner SBT 15xxx proofed in very late 1926. I am curious if any sporting arms from 1926 on had Knickerbocker, Schoverling, Daly & Gales? Of course there isn't a safety. Charles Daly is on the sides of frame(correction). So I wonder if that means anything regarding the possible/purported divergence of the Charles Daly trademark & Schoverling, Daly & Gales. There's that little demonic "k" in a rhombus that along with the Sl stamp that plagues me for now. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Griffin & Howe has a Belgian T.(Theodore) W. Stake in their offerings: http://www.griffinhowe.com/usedgun-sg.cfmKind Regards, Raimey rse
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How about this Lindner Daly trap that Hyatt's recently had on one of the auction sites? Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Raimey , I agree with your hypothesis on the "left over" guns. The war did not stop production of guns destined for America from Germany at the exact moment all guns were complete and ready for shipment. Many must have been partially done and then finished after the war. We see this in British guns, too. A Beesely I had was started in 1911 and completed over 10 years later. I think I remember seeing those Daly Trap Guns offered in the teens, then the offerings stopped. Later, in the mid 20s, as I recall without looking things up, the same trap gun models reappear, Sextuples and others.
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Thanks Mr. Hallquist for the insight thru comparison. I would guess the "left-overs" to be in the same serial number sequence then when the models resurface an odd sequence, or series of sequences, appears because SD&G/Schüler(??)/whoever had to develop new sourcing lines. With Joseph Gales expiring near June 1916, little of the original merry band of firearms merchants, probably on both sides of the pond, exists so I guess sourcing to be along any lines possible.
Joe: From adverts, the Daly Suhl gun factory was established in 1871 so very easily Charles Daly could have lugged a sack full of Scott assemblies or components to the Suhl factory to be finished. Ken probably has a better idea, but it would seem the Charles Daly A&D boxlocks with upper and lower scears arrive on the scene circa 1885.
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Raimey rse
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In the early 1880s we see Daly advertising guns with rebounding hammers on the Scott action.
We also, at this time, see SD&G ads that disparage Schilling made guns and deny that Daly uses them. I think it is commonly accepted, though, that Schilling made drillings for Daly at sometime during their histories. Early 1900 ads, in fact, show Daly bragging about their association with Schilling.
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Does the Stub variety of pattern welded tubes have it origins at Westley Richards? Joe's Daly hammergun 15xxx with Stub From Modern Gunnery 1906 page 26 by Henry Sharp: http://www.scribd.com/doc/40464507/Modern-Sporting-Gunnery-1906-From-www-jgokey-comI was trying to find a pattern welded tube with the WR stamp. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Does the Stub variety of pattern welded tubes have it origins at Westley Richards?.. Nope, Greener was doing it much earlier, 1835. http://www.damascus-barrels.com/Image_Barrels_2.htmlPete
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