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Well,it's pretty light for a 10 bore(7lbs.11oz.),maybe 30" was spec and the maker made darn sure! Pure speculation on my part,but the muzzle looks original.
Best,Ric
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 I'm curious what the "Monte Carlo Cross Bolt" might be and if it is 2 separate terms? Note the 1897 cable address: Owlish. Davega Sporting Goods purchased Schoverling, Daly & Gales in November of 1926 and it appears that Knickerbocker, Schoverling, Daly & Gales hit the rocks by 1928 and sunk never to rise again. I don't have all the S,D&G catalogues but it appears that from 1918 onward that Charles Daly guns or "Daly Guns" don't appear in the adverts. So give an explanation that H.A. Lindner had closed his shop but it may be that the trademark Charles Daly & Schoverling, Daly and Gales were divorced at this time and it may have been Sloan's Sporting Goods had purchased the trademark name but Charles Daly, inc and the Daly trademark don't seem to surface till 1927. Others speculate that Sloan's Sporting Goods acquired the name from Davega Sporting Goods but it appears to be earlier. Anyone have the S,D&G catalogues from 1918 till 1926 to comment if a Daly sporting arm, Regent, Sextuple, etc. was offered? Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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http://books.google.com/books?id=Ia9QAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA4-PA31&lpg=RA4-PA31&dq=anson+%26+deeley+brevete&source=bl&ots=4KB63G6uz5&sig=UpNIH_BIOgm3HG1AEIyl4-ipUR8&hl=en&ei=z4DbTvzPBYLBtgfKmIXtAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCsQ6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q&f=false
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Marc, is this the original A&D patent filed in France or is it the improvement?
http://books.google.com/books?id=43gAAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA59&lpg=PA59&dq=anson+%26+deeley+brevete&source=bl&ots=4SkcSGqlda&sig=GOoGT0TZlz5A3yL7_nbog6nMfmE&hl=en&ei=z4DbTvzPBYLBtgfKmIXtAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q&f=false
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Interesting Nov. 1912 Forest & Stream Schoverling, Daly & Gales used sporting weapon advert(704-707): http://books.google.com/books?id=nUkcAQA...gun&f=falseAnyone own one of the listed serial numbers? Gives a new & used price comparison for the time. Also of note is the Manhattan offerings. I wonder if pre 1900 or pre 1891 if Sauer had churned out most of the examples and then lower cost thru mechanization lead S,D & G to Liege. I just haven't seen enough Manhattan's with Belgian touchmarks to say. Last I am curious if this Charles Daly featherweight is post WWI, a special order or thru another source other than H.A. Lindner: http://www.merzantique.com/item.php?id=5202_0_2_0Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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All right I have realized the sourced of the 1919 Henry Modell acquisition of S,D&H info and it was the NRA. Mr. Wes Fink of Daytona, Florida had given me the reference at one time but I can't seem to find it. I have performed somewhat of an extensive search and I just don't think that to be the case. Now around this time Henry Modell as a director on the board for the Smaller Businesses of New York, or something like that, & they dolled out cash and it may have been here that some cash was injected into the stumbling S,D&G. But until Theodore W. Stake is out of the picture, along with his sidekick Charles Howard Daly, I don't see it happening. Anyone know of the NRA reference and their source?
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Raimey, I don't find Charles Daly guns in SD%G Catalogs of 1919 and 1918. Do Daly guns appear in later VL%A or VL&D catalogs ?
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Just in searching and not having the catalgoues in hand, I haven't seen Charles Daly guns in the 1918, 1921 or 1923 but the name reappears in the 1926 and subsequent Knickerbocker, Schoverling, Daly & Gales of 1927. Many times the Charles Daly name is associated with the SBT Sextuple offerings. Also there appears to be a gun catagloue and a gun parts catalogue but in each year it could have been one or the other. Thanks for any effort.
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Raimey- I viewed that gun (or it's twinn) in Vegas last year. I didn't pull the forearm to look for HAL's halmark but Leroy showed it to me when I was pestering him about Lindners. What a beautiful gun.
Call Leroy's shop and ask them to check for the marks. They're great people but they're Winchester experts. You may have to coach them on recognising whether or not it's a Lindner. By the way, I've bought from Leroy in the past and could not pick a better dealer. Wouldn't hesitate to buy from him again.
What do you think of the price?
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Raimey, I have a beautiful 1921 SD&G catalog that has no Charles Daly guns in it. I wonder if they had another catalog that included their "fine guns"?
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No, I think it is as I have surmised that the tradename Charles Daly & the company Schoverling, Daly & Gales split, and they may have split in the 1916-1919 period. But odd that Charles Daly SBT appear in the 1926 version just before Davega acquires S,D&G in November 1926 I think.
Cary thanks for the direction and on price, I've pondered it for a time and still am a bit perplexed. It seems to take me aback as do the Luftwaffa Sauer Drillings at 25k U.S. of A., in pristine condition of course
Thanks for all the assistance, fellas.
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Raimey
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