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http://bandpusa.com/competition/f2-subsound.html

The 7/8oz load is listed as being 5900psi.

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I've got a few, as long as they are in good shape I have no qualms about shooting them.

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Originally Posted By: Marc Ret
http://bandpusa.com/competition/f2-subsound.html

The 7/8oz load is listed as being 5900psi.

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Thanks, I have CFS and couldn't find the listing. I searched 2.5 and the LP's are 2 5/8. Earlier this summer I ordered a flat of 20 gauge from them using a 10% off code found at http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=134&t=252770
Don't know if the discount is still in effect, but the free shipping of B&P helps. Gil

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I always enjoy a "is Damascus safe to shoot" thread. I'm glad to see this one has stayed friendly.

I shoot a Damascus Parker GH 12 gauge without worry. It was manufactured in 1924. Bores are minty and measure as they left the factory. I doubt it saw many blackpowder loads and I doubt Parker made it think it would.

I sometimes get the feeling that many think that Damascus and twist barrels went away because the makers thought they were un-safe.

I have always thought fluid steel ended up being the barrel of choice because they were cheaper to produce. Damascus barrel construction was labor intensive. That, along with a dwindling number of artisans, more likely caused the demise of Damascus barrels; not safety concerns shooting smokeless loads of the day.

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One of the major issues with damascus was WW1. It killed so many men in N. Europe and destroyed the apprentice system that labor prices went crazy after the war and that doesn't count the physical plant destruction.


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Last night I loaded 21 grams (3/4 oz) of number 9 shot (with a little bit of crushed pasta to fill it up better) over 15 grains of AS30 powder - comparable to red dot. This was using Eley First hulls that I picked up last week they say they are 67.5mm I am going to use the 1883 greener today for a round of sporting clays with these shells.


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I wonder if grits wouldn't work as well as crushed pasta or a navy bean. You could make a fine breakfast of what's left over.

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I wonder if grits wouldn't work as well as crushed pasta or a navy bean. You could make a fine breakfast of what's left over.


Yeah I had a chuckle at that... I looked in the pantry for something light and dry that would not score the bore. Pasta was what got the job.


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Originally Posted By: Slowpokebill
I always enjoy a "is Damascus safe to shoot" thread. I'm glad to see this one has stayed friendly.

I shoot a Damascus Parker GH 12 gauge without worry. It was manufactured in 1924. Bores are minty and measure as they left the factory. I doubt it saw many blackpowder loads and I doubt Parker made it think it would.

I sometimes get the feeling that many think that Damascus and twist barrels went away because the makers thought they were un-safe.

I have always thought fluid steel ended up being the barrel of choice because they were cheaper to produce. Damascus barrel construction was labor intensive. That, along with a dwindling number of artisans, more likely caused the demise of Damascus barrels; not safety concerns shooting smokeless loads of the day.

The British stopped making damascus in 1903. The Belgian production continued until 1937 / 1938. It was the destruction of the tremendous infrastructure that was required (mainly the rolling mills) that stopped the Belgians.

The demand had been dwindling between the wars as better steel became available for sporting gun use. Also many makers started declaring the own earlier guns unsafe. Articles started appearing in various sporting publications denouncing damascus without any mention of the pressures.

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One of the major issues with damascus was WW1. It killed so many men in N. Europe and destroyed the apprentice system that labor prices went crazy after the war and that doesn't count the physical plant destruction.


If you have documented figures to back that up, I would like to see them. I believe the labor costs rose because of the increased social consciousness in Belgium about child labor ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Daens ) and the guild seeking collective bargaining (eg the Lochet strike of 1912). The makers were paying the same piece rate in 1912 that they had paid in the 1880's. The makers tried to starve the guilds out of existence, but the general public reacted by taking in the children of striking workers to feed them.

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=65846&page=22


And here Ithaca promotes the myth of rust, never mentioning the pressures involved.


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The 1883 greener on the sporting clays range today.

The last picture in my partner on the way to an 18/25 - her best sporting score yet.





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