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No small or large crowns on this Sauer Büchsflinte. The story goes there in the proximity fo the Battle of the Bulge there was a pile of longarms that GIs were instructed to dispose of. So a GI from Cullman, Alabama selected the most unique one he could locate in the pile which was the Combo. The GI broke the stock to get it in his rolled up sleeping bag and shipped the components home to his wife in Cullman, Alabama. Then the longarm was sent to Tampa to have a new stock fitted. There was some issue there with the gunsmith, or firearms merchant, attempting to keep the repaired Combo. But it was brought home to Cullman, Alabama.





I've seen the "C" on the bottom of the rear lug before. There's an "E" on the previous one.

I would venture a guess that the intertwined "SuS" stamp on the flats is a Sauer process mark and more than likely replaced the Caveman with a Staff. So could the longarm have been completed at the Sauer facility?



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Rasch from Littlegun's site: http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20allemande/artisan%20o%20p%20q%20r/a%20rasch%20g%20l%20%20gb.htm

It would be informative to see the area between the flats and forend lug but I think the crowns give it away. But as Geno stated the crowns would imply completion at the Sauer facility: http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=202766#Post202766


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Not a crown stamp, but an interesting mark on the aft lug on this 1941 Sauer dreillufer #337029.

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Originally Posted By: ellenbr
Not a crown stamp, but an interesting mark on the aft lug on this 1941 Sauer dreillufer #337029.

Probably means model M-32 made for Goering's luftwaffe. The difference between M-30 and M-32, the first one was Plain Jane and the second one with some engravings. By s/number 337xxx this gun was one of luftwaffe drillings (335xxx-338xxx).


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Interesting insight Geno.

On an earlier post on a Sauer 450 Musselshell I forgot to note that the right tube experienced the 1st proof with shot and later with a solid projectile.


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Interesting offering by Felix Arnd of Berlin but I'm not sure how the Frstenwalde on the Spree applies, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BCrstenwalde , being some 35 miles East of Berlin. It is a Sauer sourced clock-hand sidelock with interesting engraving & toplever. Being issued #56001, according to Jeff Stephens fine efforts, that would have been in 1895. I can't seem to find any crowns so the longarm didn't experience any patterning effort at the Sauer shooting grounds/Schiesssttte?.

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=235853&view=previous
















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Originally Posted By: Geno
Now it looks like 1900 was breaking year, when 2 crowns been replaced by 1 crown only.


Gentlemen,

just went through ten pages of this wonderful thread but I did not see the explanation for the large crown /small crown (?). So, heres the explanation from Sauers 1903 catalog:



Translation:

For good precision [literally: shot capacity] do guarantee the markings: [lagre crown / smaller crown]

So, the two crowns were used (advertised) at least up to 1903.

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Mr. Krause, lovely to have you in our merry troupe. I think it was on page 6 in one of Geno's post, which I can't seem to view now, that he posted the following document;


It was either on page 6 or 7 that those closely following noted the meaning of the crowns but not an exact date of nonuse.

Being one of the privileged to actually hold the Sauer records, can you say at any time if the lot will be published, if it may be acquired on a page by page basis, any direction on the Sauer process marks, mechanic's marks and those pesky script "g"s, and others, that are found on the lower rib just forward of the flats? And to end this line of questioning, are you of any relation to Wolfgang Krause?

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Originally Posted By: sauerfan

Translation:

For good precision [literally: shot capacity] do guarantee the markings: [lagre crown / smaller crown]

So, the two crowns were used (advertised) at least up to 1903.


Martin,

So good to see you here my friend. Your input is always an education for me.

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Originally Posted By: sauerfan

So, the two crowns were used (advertised) at least up to 1903.

Its quite explainable. Sauer had guns and guns in white in stock.


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