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Just found this:

http://www.loire.fr/jcms/c_819765/manufrance-nous-devoile-ses-archives

Have not yet gone in but they should prove to be "interesting".

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Frustrating site. Nothing readily available!

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Originally Posted By: wingshooter16
Larry,

An interesting aside is that James and I, and others, when we have work done on them, invariably get very positive feedback from the smiths who are encountering them for the first time. Action design, materials employed, and execution are typically cited.

Mike


Mike,
That is so true. I currently have an Ideal with Martin Hagn who specializes in falling block actions and rifles. He has never had one in hand before and is quite taken with it.


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Originally Posted By: Tamid
Originally Posted By: wingshooter16
Larry,

An interesting aside is that James and I, and others, when we have work done on them, invariably get very positive feedback from the smiths who are encountering them for the first time. Action design, materials employed, and execution are typically cited.

Mike


Mike,
That is so true. I currently have an Ideal with Martin Hagn who specializes in falling block actions and rifles. He has never had one in hand before and is quite taken with it.


David, I know it won't be cheap but here's to hoping Martin can rectify the problem created by the other gunsmith. He certainly is talented enough and having him like the gun must help, I would think.


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James,

Martin is only working on some of the metal parts. Reworking the firing pins, hardening the cocking spur/hammer. He is reworking the pitch on the butt stock but that is the only wood work he agreed to do. He recommended someone else in BC that I do not know. I think I'll leave the wood work to Chris Dawe.


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Another aside:

Three 16ga Ideals in Texas, top is a 314, then two No. 5's from the 1920's.





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Beautiful guns, Mike. Gil

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Mike--Do the safeties on those all work backwards to what you would normally expect? That is, forward is on safe, back is off. That was the case with my one and only Ideal, and I could not get used to it in a field gun. On the other hand, one virtue of the Ideal safety is that it's truly ambidextrous.

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You are correct, Larry. It is not present on the early guns, and does really appear to be an "afterthought" or, "well, if you insist, we'll put one on." They often have varnish or crud underneath them, and don't work at all. The small button is only sufficient if the safety is working flawlessly. Milton's No.5, bottom of the three in the pic, has had a few alterations (which he is addressing). A sharp observer will note the soldered on extension to the safety.


Truth be told, and I guess I'm a little reluctant to openly admit this- I treat mine like a pigeon gun, relying on the safety between my ears, and the decocking feature. I have been taught, and think it's a good practice even hunting alone, to slip the safety off on the mount. Not possible with many of the Ideals, and those of us who love them adapt, preferring to view it as a mole on a supermodel. smile


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My lunette Ideal safety is on when to the front postion, and my NO6 is on when it is to the rear. The weak point of the Ideal is the safety, in my opinion.


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