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Dave.....This is just "the Internet". Step away from the keyboard for a while. Go shoot some clays or something. You can prolly tell that I just finished my stroke prevention class last weekend. Best to go smell some flowers. It's more healthy!

Aloha,

Bob

It's been my experience that people who don't know what they're talking about,and this includes left wing liberals, when confronted with your facts and pinned down to state any facts they may have to refute these will do the following:
1. Change the subject
2. Begin insulting you
Example "Please cite ONE instance of an 01FFL getting into trouble with the BATF over a deal with a C&R eligible firearm and a 03FFL licensee."
I'm not the type that usually engages in crudities here but the ones that need to "STFU" are the ones that don't know what they are talking about or have an "agenda".
Jim

oh yeah I have an agenda all right, hence why I went to all the trouble of actually opening a business. You might want to think that one all the way through......

Dave k
I am really sorry to let you down but I do have a C&R I would give you the number but you would most likely use it. I use it as I think it should be used. The rest of you guys need to go outside and get some fresh air because the only thing I see happining here is a guy running a gunstock company put his foot in his mouth and now he can't seem to pull it out. Might be the best thing that ever happened now he can get his own 01-ffl and not have to pay any fees.

Gee, in one day I've found out that I'm ignorant, lazy, and greedy because I have a 01 FFL.

Actually, I think this whole thread is a huge waste of band width but since it's taken on a life of its own I'll just add to it. I've done 10 transfers in the whole time that I've had an FFL. Those transfers were for people that I've known for at least 15 years and for my brother-in-law. I've not charged one dime for those transfers, infact they have cost me money because the state of Illinois charges me $2 for each one. One of those friends did buy me lunch so I guess that counts.

So why do I have an FFL? So I can receive and send guns to clients that I've done stocking jobs on and its a requirement for being a regular member of the American Custom Gunmakers Guild. Just part of being legal.

I do want to address the Q & A on the ATF web site. Don't count on those answers being the "Be all - end all" because they are NOT! Your individual ATF agent is the person that makes the rules - you don't argue with your agent because you will lose. You also have to remember that everything is up for interpretation. I sat through a seminar where two ATF agents couldn't decide whether Guild members needed a manufacturers license or not and they were invited to the seminar for that very reason. I'm not kidding!

I do want to address the Q & A on the ATF web site. Don't count on those answers being the "Be all - end all" because they are NOT! Your individual ATF agent is the person that makes the rules - you don't argue with your agent because you will lose. You also have to remember that everything is up for interpretation. I sat through a seminar where two ATF agents couldn't decide whether Guild members needed a manufacturers license or not and they were invited to the seminar for that very reason. I'm not kidding!

Well said, Doug.

Best piece of advice on this entire thread.....

Hi Doug:
This thread is certainly NOT directed at an 01FFL holder like you. You had done stockwork for me an I know you to be an honest and forthright person. I understand you make your living crafting stocks Not shipping guns around.
What we are talking about here is the01FFL holder,probably with no other talent, who gouges individuals on sending and receiving firearms which are C&R eligible by either neglecting to tell the "customer" they can ship it themselves or outright lying to them about the BATF regulations.
Jim

Does a license as a collector of curio or relic firearms authorize the collector to engage in the business of dealing in curios or relics?
No. A collector�s license only enables the collector to transport, ship, receive, and acquire curios and relics in interstate or foreign commerce, and to make disposition of curios and relics in interstate or foreign commerce, to any other licensee, for the period stated on the license. A collector�s license does not authorize the collector to engage in a business required to be licensed under the Act. Therefore, if the acquisitions and dispositions of curios and relics by a collector brings the collector within the definition of a manufacturer, importer, or dealer, he shall qualify as such. A dealer�s license must be obtained to engage in the business of dealing in any firearms, including curios or relics.

All this over $25. Amazing

Unfortunately for some it is well above $25.

I am not a dealer, manufacturer, repairer, only a simple collector. I have sold exactly one gun, and that was because it was worse than described, but somebody else wanted it and it was simpler to sell than fight about returning it.

In order to collect antique guns I went through the BATF and got a 03FFL (C&R). It was no big deal since I am not a criminal. I did the same thing in order to drive a car. I passed all of the requirements and got a legal license to do so.

However, I expect that I should be allowed to drive a car anywhere in the US as long as my drivers license is valid. There are Federal laws which mandate that my license has to be recognized in all states. No local LEO who doesn't believe Hawaii is one of the United States can deny me the right to drive. That has never happened to me, but I have been asked for my passport at airports for a domestic flight when a valid drivers license is all that is necessary.

I look at my 03 FFL in the same manner. I went though the vetting process and the US Government has granted me the right to purchase a C&R eligible gun without having to pay a fee to anyone. A 01 FFL who doesn't recognize that is no different than the LEO who would haul me in for driving on a Hawaii license, or the airport attendent who would not let me board a plane.