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Dr.Jones showed that striking energy is factor in breaking targets. So, there will be cross-over points where the reduced pellet count of larger size shot is off-set by the higher energy. To statistically figure out these points, we need to understand single pellet breaks. That said, I think you have a legit point, Mike, that needs further research.
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I think the diminishing returns business was figured out years ago when skeet shooters went universally to #9 shot instead of #10.
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I know this is a rabbit clay and they are a bit tougher - but this guy was a bit unlucky!!  JC
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I think a test desinged to maximize single pellet hits is in order. A large sheet of plastic in the major landing zone should aid recovery of targets and fragments. As noted in a previous thread, we need field data that indicates the % of single pellet hits that result in a scorable target. Why? There are cross-over points for choke and for pellet energy (size and velocity). That is to say, there are distances at which the next up or down choke size will yield more broken targets. Likewise, there are distances at which higher (more energy) velocity or lower (less recoil fatigue) velocity and/or a next up or down pellet size will yield more broken targets. These points are not well documented nor are they well understood. It is commonly accepted that itis #9 and open choke for skeet, #8 and Modish for 16 yd trap, and #7 1/2 and full for way back handicap. Now, try to get a consensus for sporting clays/5-stand/FITASIC/etc. Hunting? Good luck!! There was a similar argument in the 1870's. Some asked "Why?" use/allow choke bore guns - didn't need 'em!! For me, very simply, because I want to know.
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Yes, but what about trap? 
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An interesting target, OF. I wonder what would have broken that one? Note the relatively clean holes with little fracture.
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I find that on hot days - yes we do get a few each year in England - when the clays are softer there appear to be more unbroken clays with holes in them - not too sure what the best stratagy is to break these softer clays - more smaller pellets or fewer higher energy jobbies - thoughts??
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Since a rabbit target does not rely on rotation to create a fractured target, it would be very easy to set rabbits in a rack and shoot at them with different size shot and concentration of pattern to determine the breaking characteristics of this target. Did the fellow with the book address this situation?
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Rocketman, it's easy to get a consensus for skeet or 16 yard trap because all the targets are broken at more or less the same distances. Obviously harder for SC/5 stand, because you have to hit targets at varying distances. Often significantly varying.
Re the rabbit target shown above . . . it's my understanding that rabbit targets only have a tougher rim, not a tougher middle. (Think I saw that in a Gil Ash video.) I'd say that shooter was very unlucky.
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Since a rabbit target does not rely on rotation to create a fractured target, it would be very easy to set rabbits in a rack and shoot at them with different size shot and concentration of pattern to determine the breaking characteristics of this target. Did the fellow with the book address this situation? No, Dr. Jones did not address rabbits and a lot of other clay issues. But, his work gives both insight into basic issues and set a testing model for future work. It is not an end-all work, but it is a whale of a begining. I'm looking at extending his work with the live-fire one pellet strike test.
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