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Originally Posted By: pod
does using barrel inserts in an older gun help eleminate the possibility of barrel failure. lets say a 16 guage with a 20 or a 4-10 insert? i have often thought about this especially in a lightly pitted damascus barrel.


I have wondered about this, and how much difference it makes. I do use a set of chamber-mates in a 10 gauge damascus Baker to shoot my own low-pressure #7625 12ga. reloads. (I don't have 10 gauge reloading tools). It is clear these same 12 ga. reloads recoil less in the 10 gauge, than they do in a 12 bore. I now load the shells intended for the 10 gauge with a bit more powder, but stay under 7,000 psi (I think/hope).

In my case, the UNKNOWN is whether factory 12 gauge ammo would be of safe pressure in the 10 gauge damascus barrel. I'm not inclined to experiment/test. Perhaps some engineer could calculate the ratio of bore volume change resulting from firing 12 gauge shells in a 10 bore.

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Originally Posted By: ninepointer
Safe to say that most people don't have the knowledge or instruments to measure the pressure or recoil. Some die-hards do send their shells away for pressure testing. But then I've read lengthy threads that say having somebody else test your load will only tell you the amount of pressure your shell generates in that person's instument, but not necessarily the pressure within your gun (enter differences in chamber dimensions and, dare I say, forcing cones).

So where does that leave the mere mortal? To make judgements based on the information we have, namely shot weight and published pressures. In the case of factory shells, pressure data may or may not be available, leaving us only with manufacturer's promises of "light" or "for vintage guns".


I think chamber dimensions should not be of much significance. If I recall correctly, the difference in chamber diameter, standard American 12ga vs British 12ga, is .002"--so little that Brit hulls work in Yank doubles, no problem, and vice versa. And a bunch of people, from Burrard and Thomas on up to Bell, have played enough with long shells in short chambers to show that, to borrow a phrase from the late Michael McIntosh, that's a fairly friendly troll--as long as the pressure is safely within the parameters for the gun in question. Increased pressure because of the long shell/short chamber combination seems to run in the vicinity of virtually none to a few hundred psi. In other words, not enough to hurt as long as you leave yourself enough cushion. And as long as the gun in question does not have one of the older forcing cones that approaches a right angle rather than a taper.

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I truly wish I could now recall the source to give proper accrediation but I read many years ago from a source citing a major ammunition makers ballistitions as saying in shotguns the pressure was essentially built within the shell. Within the normal parameters of allowable tolerences rtc the gun itself played only an insignificant role in determining the pressure of a load. Most pressure, even so, are bored to minimum dimensions so any factor the gun dimensions play would be more apt to produce lower pressures than higher. Actual bore dia's can of course vary the pressure down the bbl, but this has virtually no affect on max chamber pressure.
This is of course not true in the case of rifles, where bore & chamber dimensions can play a most important role in developing pressure.


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