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I may have seen the "Large" & "Small" "Crowns" on a DR before, but I couldn't remember. So when M4 sent me a pic of his Sauer sourced Scherping in 43 Mauser, I thought that maybe the term "patterning effort" might be more like a regulation effort in that both crowns are found on both scatterguns and solid projectile longarms.

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Raimey
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Ah, a nice little puzzle on a Sauer clamshell 450 with Wilhelm Kelber's script initials on 3 Ring Krupp steel tubes. Now crowns though. I'm curious if the "875.25" on the lower rib is a data string. Probably toward the end of the clamshell era.







Still zero interest in clamshells?? Sauer also made a few scatterguns with clamshell frames.

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Raimey
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These pics are from a 1908 Model 8 SN 143XXX two clubmen one crown. Any ideas about what the H? signifies? Any help would be appreciated. Other photos are at [url=http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/b443/Culitbob/J%20P%20Sauer%20and%20Sohn][/url]

Bob

The "H" is going to be the last name of the mechanic that either worked the action or filled the frame. Hard to say with just a single initial but it could be for one of the Hengelhaupt boys, one of the Helfricht folks or some other craftsman in Suhl with the last name beginning with a "H". I don't think it would be for Heym, but the possibility exists.

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Raimey
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raimey: i think the double rifle you are thinking about is my dr in 43 spanish ser.#43701 it has lge.& sm. crowns and one caveman. best regards bob

Bob it may be and thanks for reminding me. With the large and small crowns I can only guess that extra effort was spent in regulation. 0.43" Mauser has been a hot topic in my conversations as of late. I need to get up your way to see yours as well as see a W. Foerster DR in Richmond.

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Raimey
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Woodsrunner38's hammer double with what looks to be a script "H" on the forend lug with "SS" on the base. After starring a bit and rotating the image the "H" now looks to be a script "L".

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Raimey
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No large or small crown on the 1944 boxlock but it does have an interesting stamp of a "S" in a shield on the underside of the right tube.








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Raimey
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This is Nathan's Sauer Büchsflinte(Combo) possibly proofed in April 1939, which can be confirmed with pics. If I'm not mistaken, Büchsflintes were only offered post 1912 as special order until circa 1934(I think it was Mr. Cate that gave this date guess). Anyone have any info on Sauer combos post 1930?






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Raimey
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Mr. Jim Cate ntoes that Sauer Büchsflinte # 280102 is a 8X57 & 20 bore combo with a stamp of 7.8mm X57 over StmG, 13gr and a date code of 7/37. Sauer Büchsflinte # 292552 is 8X57 & 12 bore with a proof date stamp of 12/28 but this doesn't seem to make sense so possibly there was an error and the date code should have been 12/38??? Sauer Büchsflinte # 293992 has a date stamp of 11/39 and little more info is provided. For the current Combo in question stamped 439, noting the date and the 48mm frame length as well as considering the tubes are stamped atop with "GECO" leads Mr. Cate to surmise that the components were purchased from Sauer and assembled by a GECO craftsman. Anyone know who might have been GECO's büchsenmacher or master gunsmith??

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Raimey
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