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#199369 - 08/14/10 05:45 AM Re: F. Williams shotgun value?? (pics included) [Re: Oldfarmer]
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Frederick William Williams established his business in 1881 at 49-50 Weaman Street, Birmingham. Between 1886 and 1890 he moved to 32-33 Weaman Street, which became known as the Birmingham Gun Works.

Between about 1913 and 1917 the name of the firm changed to Frederick Williams, and in about 1937 to Frederick Williams (Gunmakers) Ltd. Prior to adopting limited liability, the firm claimed a London address, possibly Frederick Williams of 3 Broad Street Station, Liverpool Street.

The firm closed in 1947.

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Frederick Williams was recorded as a gun maker at 47 1/2 Whittall Street, in 1873. He moved in about 1877 to 34 Bath Street. In the early 1880s the address was 33-34 Bath Street, and in about 1886 it was 34 Bath Street only. Frederick may have died in about 1886 because the firm was not recorded after that date.

It may be that Frederick was Frederick William Williams, born 6 August 1827 in Birmingham, and the son of Frederick Williams and Ann Gibbins. If this is so, he married Betsey Wakeham (b.1829 in Birmingham) and, according to the 1891 census, they lived at 73 Soho Road, Birmingham. They had at least three sons, Frederick (b.1849) who became a gun maker, Frank (b.1854) who became a jeweller, and George (b.1875) for whom no trade was recorded. They also had at least one daughter, Fanny (b.1856) who married Lewis Hall (b.1856), a jeweller.

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Frederick Williams
Established at 3 Broad Street Station, Liverpool Street, London in 1912, the firm moved to 107 Bishopsgate in 1913. They closed in 1918. This may have been the London office of Frederick Willam Williams of Birmingham.

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Fred Williams of Queen Street London. Most likely a gun dealer, circa 1900.

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Yet another Heminway
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=184422769

Pete

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#199370 - 08/14/10 05:55 AM Re: F. Williams shotgun value?? (pics included) [Re: PeteM]
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Pete that seller has been 'trot lining' that Hemingway on Gunbroker for several years.....until he runs into someone with lots of money and no gun sense it will keep dangling from the line.

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#199371 - 08/14/10 06:08 AM Re: F. Williams shotgun value?? (pics included) [Re: stevenjames]
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I'd been interested to hear what Road Show had to say.....if it was mine I'd clean the barrels real good...then get an estimate on any repairs that might need to be made (for someone that doesn't know guns this might be a way to at least find out what's possibly wrong with the gun).

Then I'd list her on Gunbroker starting at 5 hundred and see if she finds a new home.

Or put in the sale section here it's real simple there might be someone interested....if here I'd list it at 5 hundred or best offer with a deadline of some sorts.

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#199377 - 08/14/10 07:33 AM Re: F. Williams shotgun value?? (pics included) [Re: stevenjames]
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There is a great deal of info On; Fred Williams, "Gun and Cycle maker",to be found in the archives of this forum. Go to: search, and type in, F.Williams. well worth the effort!
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#199380 - 08/14/10 08:24 AM Re: F. Williams shotgun value?? (pics included) [Re: Oldfarmer]
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Ok - I think I have worked out how to insert photos. The proof marks show 'not for ball' so looks like it was made between 1875 and 1887. Barrels are just twist rather than damascus.

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