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I seem to have the Birmingham Proof House Private View Marks, but are there similar Marks for London ?
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Thanks all for the info. Still nothing on the DOM? Anyplace where that is available? Not a pressing issue, but curious just the same. My SN# 20600, Joes within 400 of mine, and EverD's is 20003. Randy
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 Picked up a nice William Cashmore made for Kirkwood Bros in Boston Mass...any way to get a ruff estimate of the age from the proof marks ?
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I seem to have the Birmingham Proof House Private View Marks, but are there similar Marks for London ? Hi Daryl, the London Proof House does have a View Mark. It's a Crown over a V. As many (if not most) London Guns where made by Birmingham makers a lot will have BPH markings. I have a Charles Boswell 16b, a London Maker with Birmingham Proofs for example. But as Boswell had a feud going with the London Proof House he had his later period guns proofed at Birmingham. On the other hand my Henry Atkin is London Proofed. Ah...the joys of Brit guns!!! I love them! All the best! Greg
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gjw, there is a list, starting in the 1920s for Birmingham "Private" view marks. One for each year. Is there a similar list for London Proofed guns ?
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Hi Daryl, Birmingham Private VM started in 1921 with the Code "A" for 1921-1922 ending in 1941-1942 with Code "W". Codes "I", "Q" and "Z" were not used.
They started again in 1950. There are so many codes it would be difficult to list here, but in the case of the years 1950 on it was a two digit code for each year, for example "AB" 1950, YB for 1973. Just a couple of examples.
London Private VM started in 1972. An example would be LP over 98 for 1998.
Hope this helps.
All the best!
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RMC/Daryl. Birmingham date codes ran from 1921 to present with a gap from 1941 to 1949. London marks ran from 1975 to present. You will find them stamped on the barrel flats and are in the form of a small mark like an X which is actually a crossed sceptre mark. Within this will be a number 1, 2 or 3 for the Proof Master on duty that day. There may be one or two small letter also which give the year date it went through the proof house. You may need a magnifying glass to see them clearly. The crossed sceptre mark is about the size of this X on the page. Lagopus.....
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Hi Daryl your quite welcome, happy to help.
Hi Mike, say, Brown states that London Private VM's started in 1972. Is this correct or was 1972 a year that was a preliminary date? Just curious.
Thanks and all the best!
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Do apologise; yes 1972. Mishitting keys. Lagopus.....
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