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The longarm was "on-hand" in Rasch's shop between January and April of 1893. I'd guess the top rib to be steel. Nice heel & toe plates; so is the butt horn or wood? It looks to be horn. No, not a conversion and the frame looks to have been sourced from Sauer. There should be a set of initials on the example somewhere and maybe they are covered by the lower rib. I'd guess the tubes to have been sourced from Belgium and interesting that all the exposed metal is engraved. Is the muzzle also engraved? I've very fond of the addressing of the top-lever, which is a nice addition. Are there any marks on the forend iron?
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I hunted with a friend's Rasch drilling in Botswana. It was 1930s, a 16-bore with an 8X57 barrel underneath. Quality was high, it worked as a shotgun, the quick detachable scope was easy to get on and off and I dropped a red lechwe at 170 yards with it and potted abrace of impala too. A really nice little gun.
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Evening Raimey,I can't find any initials on the gun.The butt must be horn, it seems too hard to be wood. The muzzle is not engraved.I appreciate your help&research on this old SxS I know alot more about it now than I did before. Could I shoot this gun? If so should I use black powder cartridges or could I use light loaded modern shells? The gun is very tight and locks up perfectly. The bores look very good with just a tiny Bit of light pitting in the one side Thanks for your help, Gunder
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Well, G.L. Rasch's son may just have made this one from sourced components. If there aren't any issues and some checks are made, sure it is possible to shoot it. It was more than likely tested in some manner by black powder and use of black is a possibility. Then there's the smokeless cartridges from Gamebore, which also peddles black, and Polywad. Low pressure from 65mm cartridges would be the goal.
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Hi Raimey
I took a few pics of the collath but my flash player is not working and I could not upload them, I will try to send them to your e-mail.
Jeff G.
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Thanks for the effort Jeff G. Below are a couple of the pics from the effort(maybe the size was self correcting?).  There's a "H* Krupp Lauf Stahl" stamp on both tubes beginning at the forend lug.  After viewing many German target arms and Carl Gottlieb(C.G./C.G. - 1804 - 1857) Haenel examples on the Carl Wilhelm Aydt design and the *H, or H*, appears on many of the tubes and for now I attribute the mark to Gebhard Helmuthhauser of Haenel in Suhl. Interesting that Collath sourced Haenel for tubes and the preliminary proofs are barely visible forward of the flats closer to the lower rib. With the Nitro stamp I'd guess this example to have been made between during WWI and prior to the mid 1920s when I guess Gebhard Helmuthhauser to have retired at an advanced age. I don't know when/if the proofhouse at Frankfurt an der Oder began dating but do know that it was closed in the late 1930s, which I would attribute to lack of volume of example to be proofed. A fact that hints that Suhl & Zella-Mehlis was heavily sourced. Zella-Mehlis should have been able to have lower costs, but both had the craftsmen, manufacturing facilities and proofhouses which is the reason the area was so heavily sourced. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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I guess it looks like an action by Mr. Green circa 1866. But it could be an Allport without the double grip and be some variant on a Roux underlever. It might be similar to a Scott or Hill from the very late 1870s but Green's seems most likely for now.
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Raimey
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