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I know this is not a doublegun thread, but I suspect we could assemble the finest collection of classic SBT photos anywhere.

I asked an Administrator before posting.

1927 Ithaca 4E Knick, 30" barrel:
















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Good idea, Bushmaster. But it'll be a week before I can show my Parker SB.


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I think it probably would be OK as most here read The Double Gun & Single Shot & Fine Automobile Journal and are accustomed to a bit of eclecticism but it's nice of you to ask Dave. My 1918 Flues lives with Ithaca doubleguns (and some other brands) and there's never been a problem.

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Not many of these floating around --












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Baker Sterling
Baker Elite
Early Octagon barrel guns


Charles Sparrow Young 2 shot repeater

J Weston Cleveland OH

LC Smith Prototype SBT

Ithaca Flues 4E Late
Ithaca Flues 4E Early(no greener type cross bolt)



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Dave, I can't read the maker's name on yours - please identify it if you will?

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I have a Francotte and Parker SC as well but no pics of them yet






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Dean, I think it is a "Royal gun co" like a DM Lefever and Three barrel gun co






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A few pics of my "Classic" SBT. A single barrel live pigeon gun by J.Draper of Bolton in Lancashire circa 1880. 33" barrel
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Thanks reb, The pics don't really do the engraving justice as about 4 inches of the breech end of the barrel is engraved and the lockplate has scroll and game scenes.
That is quite a collection you have.I had a Baker Sterling in the distant past. So many guns , so little time...

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"Super Trap" from the Holland & Holland website:

Click for a large picture of the H&H Super Trap







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Is that an old H&H or something they are offering for sale now?

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I have a question regarding the picture of the late Baker Sterling. Is the receiver case colored or blued?

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Baker traps in the 1-300 or so range had color casehardened receivers. Later ones in the 30,000-51,000 range had blued receivers. There are approx 1000 guns in the latter group.

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Originally Posted By: eightbore
Is that an old H&H or something they are offering for sale now?


It is a second hand gun that they are offering for sale now.

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I was thinking "What a bargain." until I saw the mark of the monobloc barrel. I wonder how that gun was priced when it was built? I wonder if H&H built it?

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Emil Flues [not Ithaca] marked Serial No. 1 Note Flues patent removable rib.

























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Sorry no pictures!
Fox K grade
Baker Sterling, Elite and a forearm for a Superba.
Ithaca Flues 6E

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Daryl, the Flues gun is a real screamer.

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Originally Posted By: eightbore
Daryl, the Flues gun is a real screamer.


Ditto.

What is the little button on the end of the rib at the muzzle?


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Iver Johnson Special Trap.
Unfortunately the wrist has a major crack making a repair and refinishing necessary:








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Grenadier, the little button, when compressed, allows one to slide the rib forward and off of the gun, leaving the posts in place. I am not sure of the reason for this, although there is a patent for it by Flues. I once speculated that one could have higher or lower ribs put on the gun, but that is only my dreaming.

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Daryl and my new friend, Mr. Grenadier, early designers of ventilated ribs, as well as users of vent ribs for more than 100 years, have worried about rust and accumulation of crap under the vent rib that is much more easily taken care of if the rib can be easily removed. Emil Flues is the only inventor who made such a process user friendly. How I wish that the underside of all of my vent ribs wasn't "brown". The only solution I have arrived at is to keep the area wet with oil.

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Originally Posted By: eightbore
Daryl and my new friend, Mr. Grenadier, early designers of ventilated ribs, as well as users of vent ribs for more than 100 years, have worried about rust and accumulation of crap under the vent rib that is much more easily taken care of if the rib can be easily removed. Emil Flues is the only inventor who made such a process user friendly. How I wish that the underside of all of my vent ribs wasn't "brown". The only solution I have arrived at is to keep the area wet with oil.


Unless you are using a dental mirror, how do you know the undersides of your ribs are brown?

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Eightbore, interesting thought. I have a few vent rib doubles and singles, but never considered the mainenance factor.

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a good quality pipe cleaner soaked in oil often works well for me. Being careful with the wire tips of course. I've always been concerned with this area, especially after being out in the rain

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I can see under there, no problem, and it is not a pretty sight. Harmful as they say WD-40 is to various surfaces, I just spray the heck out of the underside of the rib and hope for the best. I haven't had one rust all the way through yet, although I have a PHE Parker double trap that has spent a more than a little time outdoors in real bad weather.

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Have spent an inordinate amount of time cleaning under the rib on my Remington model 10T.

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Bushmaster, when are you going to burn that wood. You've been taking pictures on that same wood pile for a year now...Geo

By the way, NICE IVORY JOHNSON!

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Back in the early 70s, I used to scarf up every catalog and brochure I could get my hands on. If memory serves me right, my 1971-ish Ithaca catalog boasted a single barrel shotgun for $4,500! Did this high of a grade exist then?


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Originally Posted By: Roundsworth
Back in the early 70s, I used to scarf up every catalog and brochure I could get my hands on. If memory serves me right, my 1971-ish Ithaca catalog boasted a single barrel shotgun for $4,500! Did this high of a grade exist then?


According to Frank Conley's book, the Dollar Grade Ithaca Knick SBT sold for $4,500 in 1970.

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The "Dollar Grade" was actually a grade by itself if I recall correctly. The "$4500 Grade" was a grade in itself as I recall. Walt Snyder explains the single trap grades in his book. Later price increases went as high as $6500, maybe higher.

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Ithaca Flues Sousa Grade, circa 1918. Not mine but I know where it is.











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Joe:
Is that the Sousa grade made from a Victory Model?
BTW, the Sunburst pad is from a later era.

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THAT is quite the stick of wood:)

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Bushmaster, best guess we have is the wood was factory refinished in the early 1960's. That was also Walt Synder's opinion when he saw the pics. The gun is currently sitting in a dark dusty corner of a shop in a small country town. Owner is not a shooter and he has a very inflated idea of its value. Perhaps someday. Gun is mechanically perfect and does not show much use.


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