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The above discovered by Jani carries the mark "Original Kerner-Anson & Deeley Bock" and I'm all but positive that E. Schmidt & Haberman used that stamp which is usually found on the floorplate. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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The above image I think is the Kerner-Anson & Deeley design, or something similar, with sort of what looks to be Merkel style pipe reinforcement. I'll have to check my notes or the source. About the only way I can think of to differentiate between the E. Schmidt & Habermann & Greifeldt, unless the mini-clamshell frame side reinforcement is different between the makers, is that Greifeldt had a unique safety that was akin to two "L" attachments one reversed on top attached to the trigger slide and another inverted and reversed that mates to the top one making a unique safety. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Thanks, Raimey. As for the drawing, the shape of some parts whispers "Ferlach" to me. With kind regards, Jani
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Funk O/U - remember that Kerner & Funk had a short lived business(note K&F in top left position in drilling pic adjacent to "ah" of "Akah"??, which has nothing to do with the top O/U pic: Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Another combo find by Jani which has the Sauer name on it as well as "Merco" so I have serious reservations that Sauer actually made it. Sauer had the mechanized section cornered and subed "one-offs" and other handmade longarms to firms that actually performed that type work. And another thing about E. Schmidt & Habermann: in their catalogue they noted which examples were machine made and which were hand made. I don't know how much stock you can put in that though. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Thanks again, Raimey. My 1926-vintage BBF that is unmarked outside except for Nitro (not in script) has also these markings: KRUPP ESSEN on both barrels; "double duck stamp"(?; somewhat like two reversed R's in O/U arangement) on each barrel. Meaning? With kind regards, Jani
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The full rib address on the Sauer O/U combo above is: J.P. SAUER & SOHN ZWEINIEDERLASSUNG BERLIN Meaning of Zweiniederlassung is essentially Branch. Merco is marked twice, on barrels and action. -Jani
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Jani: If you could oblige me with some pics of the "double duck" stamp, I'd like to add it to my list. With what you've described and the following pic, it appears the "double duck" stamp either lies with Merco or with one of there forge sources. It may just be that Oskar Merkel used the "double duck" stamp-floorplate of the following: from Cabelas: http://www.cabelas.com/gun-inventory---glendale---merkel---1233166-mer860rs.shtmlSo there are a few unknowns. The BBF just might have been sourced from Merco, or E. Schmidt & Habermann or Greifeldt sourced the same "double duck" forge. I'll transmit a few inquires and see if I can get a consensus on the "double duck". Carl Stiegele of München Höf-Gewehrfabrik sourced Merco(Oskar Merkel) for example #3604 with a Miller single trigger. I'll have to look a bit later but I think the Berlin branch was at Oscar Geyger's retail shop. So I'd say that the Berlin branch of Sauer at Oscar Geyger's retail shop had an order which was transmitted to Sauer for a specific example and then Sauer sourced Merco. A Oscar Geyger peddled Oskar Merkel: (copy & paste) http://oldhuntingguns.com/Details.155.0.html?&no_cache=1&L=1&tx_fwwcat_pi1[showUid]=111
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The Cabelas "double duck" seems similar to mine but the photo is not clear enough to be positive. And I do not have the photos of mine, yet. Another small marking on my BBF is "M?O". There is something lightly struck inbetween M and O - but much shorter than "erc" (for Merco), and not in script; also O is twice the size of M. Anyway, my imagination says Merkel Oskar... With kind regards, Jani
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