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#183530 - 03/22/10 06:17 PM Gunstock duplicating questions
Joe Offline
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Registered: 02/15/02
Posts: 65
Loc: Jackson Hole, WY
Can a duplicate stock be made from an original without damaging the original? I would like to have duplicated, a Parker Reproduction stock from the original (adding 1/2" LOP), but I don't want the original scratched or damaged. Who do you recommend to duplicate a stock, and any favorite places to buy a blank? Thanks!
Joe

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#183540 - 03/22/10 07:52 PM Re: Gunstock duplicating questions [Re: Joe]
Doug Mann Offline
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Registered: 01/07/02
Posts: 606
Loc: St. Anne, Il
Joe, I'll do the best I can to help you with your questions.

It's entirely possible to have a stock duplicated without damaging the original. I sent a stock to be duplicated to John Vest in Oregon a while back and mentioned to John that the original stock and forend were new and I would like to have them back with as little damage as possible. The original wood was sent back covered VERY neatly with blue painters tape. When I removed the tape the finish was as perfect as when I sent it. The duplicated stock was ! I can also recommend Gene Simillion in Colorado or Shane Thompson in Montana. Both of these men do great duplicating but I would cover the original stock myself because time is money to both men. John just did this a favor to me this one time. There are others that also do great work but these three come to mind first. You can find their contact information on the ACGG website http://www.acgg.org/ under "Current listing of Regular Members".

I hesitate to recommend wood supliers but a few come to mind, Ray & Cathy Richter (Quaking Aspens), Cecil Fredi, Steve Heilmann, Luxus (Turkish walnut). There are a lot of wood suppliers out there, some are good!
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#183542 - 03/22/10 08:10 PM Re: Gunstock duplicating questions [Re: Doug Mann]
SDH-MT Offline
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Registered: 07/29/05
Posts: 1807
Loc: Livingston, MT
With all due respect to my friend Doug, It would probably be better if you realized there is some chance of damaging a pattern stock regardless of tape covering. All stocks must be jigged fore and aft to accommodate mounting in the machine. With a shotgun stock the "head" of the stock must be bridged with the mounting device which is normally epoxied to the front (and maybe rear) of the stock. Attaching or removing this may cause damage.
None of the stock duplicators that I have worked with will guarantee no damage when machining from an existing stock.
Best,
Steve
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#183551 - 03/22/10 08:38 PM Re: Gunstock duplicating questions [Re: SDH-MT]
Doug Mann Offline
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Registered: 01/07/02
Posts: 606
Loc: St. Anne, Il
Steve is, of course, correct. In my case I got very lucky. The bridges and rear hold'ems do have a chance of causing problems.

In my case I'm usually using what I fondly refer to as "mules" so minor scratches aren't etc. really a concern. I wouldn't notice a scratch in the Bondo or epoxy anyway. smile
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#183553 - 03/22/10 08:51 PM Re: Gunstock duplicating questions [Re: Doug Mann]
Rd Show Offline
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Registered: 10/03/06
Posts: 226
Loc: Pennsylvania
The new stock machines work by laser and are computer controlled. I saw one on a disk advertised at my buddys shop, used a laser to copy the old stock and then duplicated it on the blank. It only did one stock at a time but it didn't take long. Ill have to see if he still has the address of the maker. Rich
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#183566 - 03/22/10 10:31 PM Re: Gunstock duplicating questions [Re: Rd Show]
Chuck H Offline
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Registered: 02/19/04
Posts: 13248
Loc: Torrance, CA
I can attest to John Vest doing great work. I only used scrapers and files to fit from his machining. Very, very little wood removal was needed to fit.

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#183593 - 03/23/10 08:12 AM Re: Gunstock duplicating questions [Re: Chuck H]
Joe Offline
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Registered: 02/15/02
Posts: 65
Loc: Jackson Hole, WY
Chuck, was the original scratched or damaged in any way? It is a new stock so I definitely don't want it marked on.

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#183628 - 03/23/10 12:23 PM Re: Gunstock duplicating questions [Re: Joe]
dubbletrubble Offline
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Registered: 07/09/06
Posts: 1062
Loc: Valhalla, PA
while we are on the subject a friend dropped a stunning piece of walnut at my house yesterday with a plea for me to find someone to cut it into a Lefever H grade stock. He has a two barrel set, case, forend, and receiver, but no wood. Can ya'll point me to somebody who has a pattern and can cut it for me?

I also need somebody who can make me a semi inletted mannlicher stock for a Savage 93 .17 HMR. I have a nice 44" piece of quilted maple for the project.


Edited by dubbletrubble (03/23/10 12:25 PM)

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#183678 - 03/23/10 06:54 PM Re: Gunstock duplicating questions [Re: dubbletrubble]
SDH-MT Offline
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Registered: 07/29/05
Posts: 1807
Loc: Livingston, MT
I would like to see info about the laser gizmo-carver as well.
Wonder how a guy would amortize the purchase of a machine like that?
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#183681 - 03/23/10 07:24 PM Re: Gunstock duplicating questions [Re: SDH-MT]
SKB Offline
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Registered: 12/31/01
Posts: 2119
Loc: Colorado
Steven,
Technology is getting scary....and coming down in price.
https://www.nextengine.com/indexSecure.htm

I do not think these are capable of scanning such a large object, but you get the idea. At those prices you would not need to sell many scanned items top recoup cost. It gets a guy thinking for sure. The scanner then is converted to G-code for machining purposes.
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