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 Richard Fischer, Junior circa 1907 - supposed to be one of the top pistol shots of his time. Lovely stance although I suspect it was staged. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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 Max G. Fischer was known for his pistols.  A Fischer is named in this photo(4th from the left) but I can't say for sure which one but I would guess of the Max line but who knows. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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If it is of any interest, I had a Max G. Fischer, Berlin, marked Mauser 98 in 9x57 rimless Mauser.
Proofed 118/35. German Nitro proof marks, (2 crowns + N). Prooved for 2/8 g GBP St. m. G.
The scope was a Landlicht 4 x 81, (made by Dr. Walter Gerard / Landlicht AG, Germany). The mounts were Akah and the 22 1/2” barrel, hex to round. Half stock with reinforcing plates, set trigger and a full length machine-finished rib. Bore was cerrosafe'd as 0.3585 dia.
This particular rifle would group four 250 grain Hornady Interlocks into 1,1/4” at 100 yards. One thing that gave it a little bit of class was a piece of horn inset behind the trigger guard, on the grip. The stock looked terrible but I got it but refinished and it came up a treat with a good deal of original fiddle-back finish. To remove the rear Akah mount, the scope had to be dissembled as the rings did not come apart.
Undoing the screw simply allowed them to spring apart a little to slide along the tube.
Traded for a 6,5x68.
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Actually it is the gun that was at Ben Loving, I know as I brought from him, I traded away after awhile as I could not get the ejection problem fixed and found a still better 16 that I could not resist. I found if I was careful when loading the shells not to press them but let them sit loosely the gun could be closed without issue. My son hunted with it without issue but once.
Max Fischer was a Berlin gunshop that did not survive the war at one time I had the address, it had the misfortune of being near the war ministry and was bombed out. I had some references for it but cannot now find them now.
Michael Dittamo
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So, old colonel, you are saying the Max Fischer clamshell Facile Princeps actioned gun in the first several photos above was indeed the gun that Ben Loving had for some time? You bought it from Loving, then traded it away and Clay ended up with it? That makes good sense, there surely are not many of those action designs marked Fischer in the country. I looked at it with an eye toward adding it to the other Max Fischer gun I already had, but could not get together with Loving on it. I find it very interesting that at least three of us here on this bbs became seriously interested in the same gun. That was some time back, perhaps six or seven years when I initially saw the gun. Fischer apparently either was quite a craftsman himself, or had someone working with him who was. The few examples of his work I have seen have all had good finish detail, including nice stocking and engraving. Not many of his guns turn up. I notice that gun is marked "M.G. Fischer, Berlin" while mine is marked "Max Fischer, Berlin." Wonder why he used two different "signatures?"
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I am sure it is the same as I have pictures of it and the serial numbers on the water table, engraving, markings on screws, problem with the ejectors all match.
It is a lovely gun but it has a limp and I could not see myself putting more money into redoing the stock if I could not cure it. The challenge of the facile princep is that so few can make them right. That said today I do have a actual Greener 16 FH50 facile princep but with a different ejector system. It is not as intersting as the Fischer, but a good gun and it has been bent to fit me. It is my light gun weighing 5 1/2, which I use for walks.
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I think there was a Max Fisher Sr. and a Max Fischer Jr., but they both may not have been Max G. Fischer.  On an early hammergun - note the initials M.F. 207  It may be that the serialization continued with both. From the 1890s to a guess of 1908 they were at Prinz-Albrecht-Straße(Niederkirchnerstraße today). The street was constructed in the early 1890s and some type of construction of the palace forced Max G. Fischer to move to Kockstraße 2 prior to WWI.  Whenever the move at the end of some construction effort, a banner that said we've moved hung at intersection of Prinz-Albrecht-Straße & Wilhelmstraße. Based on the 1908 Franz Jäger adverts noting Max G. Fischer as an agent at Prinz Albrecht Straße 1, I assume that to be the final days at the address. Fritz Fischer of Kirchstraße 8 of Friedenau near Berlin had a couple of pistol type D.G.R.M. or utility patents, 326134 & 327106, during 1908. For now I don't know what the Max G. Fischer relationship might have been, if any. If I read it correctly, a Berlin Pistol shooter Fischer is the 4th from the left. Always, pistol expert Richard Fischer, Jr. is noted as Fischer - Gera, so this just may be our Max G. Fischer. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Nice. Glad you found us with your first post.
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Very nice. Thanks for sharing.
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