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Stoeger 48th Edition, 1957, page 35 "JP Sauer Models VIII & VIII E Shotguns". Includes specs. Also single trigger version, page 34 and engraving options, pages 36 & 37.

Alex, who also owns a Suhl made Model VIII in 12 gauge, complete with 4 ring barrel markings, tells me it was made November, 1966. My own Model VIII is pre-war, Feb 1929.

They must've changed the numbering from 1957 to 1961. Either that or else you Kiwis have a different Stoeger than we Yanks.

The water table and barrel bottom markings on my 1956 SIMSON SxS are almost identical. The proofs seem the same. The parts also appears to be the same shape and size; or very similar, including screw size and locations.

My barrels don't have the four circles. Serial 1347XX.

Were SIMSON, SAUER, and MERKEL all made in the same factory at that time?

Jerry

It was more of a cottage industry as before with orders from BüHaG, etc. going to individual makers who filed the orders.

I assume that your 1956 Simson has "Special Gewehr Lauf Stahl"?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
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Raimey,

You are 100% correct on the barrel markings on my Simson.

Other than the markings, were the SIMSON's, SUAER's, and Merkel's mechanically very similar? From photos I've seen, it appears the major parts were the same.

Jerry

Stoeger Catalog Timeline - Clarification
NB: My typing capitalization and periods as taken from the catalogs.
Stoeger 48th - 1957
Page 34 SAUER MODEL 8 DES
Page 35 J.P. SAUER MODELS VIII & VIII E SHOTGUNS
Stoeger 49th - 1958
Virtually the same as 1957 but on pages 40 & 41. The only difference I can see is that 1957 show the MODEL VIII in 16 and 20 gauges only. 1958 show it in 12, 16 and 20 gauges.
Stoeger 50th - 1959
Page 46 SAUER KIM SHOTGUN ("The brand new....employing an improved version...Annson & Deeley. The heavy double underlocking lugs have been still further strengthened to eliminate the top cross bolt.")
Page 47 J.P. SAUER MODELS VIII & VIII E SHOTGUNS.
No mention of the SAUER MODEL 8 DES.
Stoeger 51th - 1960
Page 44 SAUER MODEL 60
Page 45 SAUER MODEL 60 DELUXE.
No mention of SAUER KIM OR SAUER MODELS VIII & VIII E SHOTGUNS.
Stoeger 52nd - 1961
Page 54 SAUER MODEL 60
Page 55 SAUER MODEL 60 DELUXE
Page 56 SAUER MODEL ROYAL

I believe Stoeger published only one (universal) edition per year.
Hope this helps to nail down the timeline.

Model 60 from 1960. Wonder if that was intentional??