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Was over at Cabela's buying some primers and always look at the used guns. This F.N. caught my eye, 16 ga. boxlock with side clips, Greener cross bolt, extractors, 30" Krupp Steel barrels. Decent wood, checkering worn but still there, cheek piece and so made for a righty. No dents, and like most European guns, had sling swivels, screwed to barrels, but removed from stock. Length of pull was 14 1/8" over a recoil pad. I'm sure that was added on here. Serial number 672?.
Used my phone camera for pictures, but don't have a way to download them. Lots of markings on flats, choke marking 17 on one barrel, couldn't see if it was 65mm or 70mm chambers.
Didn't see any marking as to grade.
Had gun put in back and I will go over and take pictures and see if it has any markings.
Anyone have any information on these guns.

I am thinking of taking a run to Hamburg. Good to know there's a nice 16 bore hidden in back. Sounds like what I'm looking for. Thanks for the heads up.

Whether either of you acquires the gun or not, pics would really be appreciated of the area ahead of the flats to see if FN, LLC, or another Beglian concern made the Krupp tubes.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Raimey, I won't be able to get there until Thursday. Taking the dog for a walk after some pen raised quail and chuckers.

When I go back I will also measure the bores using their CSP gage.

Also want to see if this qualifies for my C&R license and it would help to know date of manufacture.

JDW:
May have a date code so brush-up on your lowercase Greek letters. If a date code isn't present, pre-1924. I did the walkabout chasing leftover birds yesterday at Selwood, Alabama with a very young(12/13/14 month old) Britany,while concluding an "afternoon conference/meeting".

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Raimey, thanks. I will get more info.

Those work in the field conference meetings are usually very productive. It's amazing how much more work is done "afield"

JDW, if it has 16 over a C in a diamond, then it's pre-1924. A more recent gun would have 16-65 or 16-70 on the flats.

Sounds like a pretty basic gun. FN made everything from very basic boxlocks to very nice sidelocks. But they're all good quality.

Thanks Larry. I'm a sucker for 16 ga. I had seen another one there a while back, stayed for a long time. That was a sidelock, ejector. I don't think it had side clips, but it had the Greener cross bolt.
I thought most guns that had side clips were a better quality because of the work involved in them.
All the information is on my cell phone camera, but like I said can't down load it. I am going to take a magnifier and see what I can see.

Here are the pictures of the barrel flats and some on the barrels. There is nothing written on top of barrels and nothing on the sides of the reciever. On the bottom of the receiver is Fabrique Nationale D'Armes Herstahl, Belgiuim.
The barrel picture, with Krupp came out blurry, but had Essen Krupp and maybe someone else can make out what it has.



chokes were, right barrel .005 and left, .024.
I couldn't make out the numbers on the setting ring and don't know if they were .650 or .660. The bores were both +.012.
If the ring was .660 than it would be .672. which seems high to me, and there is a stamp between the barrels 672. Originally I thought that was the serial number, but the water table shows a 4 digit number.

The only information in the Blue Book was the two proof marks; Crown on top of oval, since 1893 and lion over P.V since 1924.
This also has the 16 over C in a diamond like Larry stated.

JDW:
Thanks for the effort. I'm not sure of the source of the "Crown" over "LC" or the "V" in a circle, which conjures up foreign tube proof but only due to the fact that Austria had a similar stamp with a "F" in the circle and I haven't seen any info that suggests such in Belgian proof info. I guess "PJ" to have been a mechanic?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse