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When Winchester test fired several guns with their test loads, the Iver Johnson only lasted six rounds before it blew apart. I'm thinking this could be the same gun. But seriously, Bushmaster is right. This gun would look so much better with a with a splinter forearm. One that would go nice with those pretty, girlish roses in the background so that all of the women could shoot and admire.  Jimmy: What is your source that the Iver blew up? Also, I shouldered several Winchester Traps at Greenwich this morning. They seemed to weigh less than my Iver.
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He most surely does- after all, I caught some flack because I commented on a 16 FW Smith with 26" barrels--strange to me that I would bet serious cash money that most guys who post and read posts here believe in the Second Amendment, but seem to conveniently forget the First=
It is true, I found the details in a Schwing article (not in his great M21 book however)- the IJ went "South" after 6 blue pill loads, an Ithaca NID lasted for 44, and a Limey made Purdey made it to 60- The M21 went over 2000 w/o a hick-up--then they stripped it down and checked all the parts against original gauge specs for wear, breakage, stress cracks--
Winchester's have always been "Hell for Stout" The over-rated Browning derived 1897 (not his first the 1893) was so strong that Parker O. Ackley once rebarreled a 12 gauge M97 into a 30-06--and it shot like a house afire-
Why is the M21 so pricey on todays shotgun market-compared with Ithaca and Smith, possibly Fox and Parker= You tell me--
"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
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What is a blue pill load
Was the iver that was tested a Supertrap?
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Proof loads Lou.
I believe all of the other doubles tested failed some makes going at best 200 to 300 rounds. The M21 digested 2,000 rounds without failure.
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Hey, Lou, what were the prices of the Model 21 Traps at Greenwich? Not too long ago, I sold my vent rib 30" Trap Grade to a friend for $4500. Not long after that, nice vent rib Trap Grades were selling for $8000 and up. Oh, well. I doubt that the Super Trap was John Olin's test gun, more likely a Hercules. Not much difference except weight.
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Hey, Lou, what were the prices of the Model 21 Traps at Greenwich? Not too long ago, I sold my vent rib 30" Trap Grade to a friend for $4500. Not long after that, nice vent rib Trap Grades were selling for $8000 and up. Oh, well. I doubt that the Super Trap was John Olin's test gun, more likely a Hercules. Not much difference except weight. Very handsome unengraved 21 traps were tagged at $7,500 ,d up
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