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#173487 - 01/08/10 10:36 AM Iver Supertrap a Win 21 Knock off? Compare Pics
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Was the Iver Johnson Supertrap a knockoff of the Winchester 21 Trap? (Credit the gorgeous 21 to Galazan)

Did any manufacturer make a gun to look like a 21?







Edited by Bushmaster (01/08/10 11:47 AM)

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#173516 - 01/08/10 02:34 PM Re: Iver Supertrap a Win 21 Knock off? Compare Pics [Re: Bushmaster]
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The forends are just a tad different. Why, I don't know, because the 12 gauge IJ Skeeter has a very nice looking forend. I don't know why they put this monstrousity on the Super Trap.

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#173519 - 01/08/10 02:55 PM Re: Iver Supertrap a Win 21 Knock off? Compare Pics [Re: eightbore]
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Them's fighting words.

Just because the forearm looks like the spawn of a perverse mating between a cricket bat and a pizza shovel you have no right to insult it!

Lou

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#173539 - 01/08/10 05:35 PM Re: Iver Supertrap a Win 21 Knock off? Compare Pics [Re: Bushmaster]
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Hello All
A gun that is similar in looks to the Win 21 is the AYA J.C. Higgins 100.
Y'all seen these?
Mike
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#173589 - 01/08/10 11:26 PM Re: Iver Supertrap a Win 21 Knock off? Compare Pics [Re: skeettx]
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I like that Iver Johnson you have Lou. Looks great!!
Does it look like a M21..........NO.

The Winchester is of course a Winchester and that name alone stamped on top of any barrel commands big money!!!

Not without reason though a good world military history book will suffice to find out why!!!

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#173616 - 01/09/10 09:18 AM Re: Iver Supertrap a Win 21 Knock off? Compare Pics [Re: treblig1958]
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The IJ was a lot more gun dollar for dollar but having owned both the 21 will last longer both are butt ugly
bill

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#173620 - 01/09/10 09:34 AM Re: Iver Supertrap a Win 21 Knock off? Compare Pics [Re: bill schodlatz]
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Who was a knock-off of who?!? I don't know when it was actually introduced, but the Iver Johnson Super-Trap was in their 1931 catalogue. Schwing says the Model 21 was introduced in 1930, but the company went into receivership almost immediately and by December 1931 was bought by Olin. All the early Model 21 paper he shows is dated 1931 or 32. The Trap Grade Model 21 was introduced in 1932 and the Tournament Grade in 1933.

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#173637 - 01/09/10 12:24 PM Re: Iver Supertrap a Win 21 Knock off? Compare Pics [Re: Researcher]
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The first known Winchester factory price list with the Model 21 included was dated October 15, 1930. The first magazine ads for the Model 21 were the issues of September, 1930. Trap and Tournament Grades were listed in the factory price list of June 21, 1932 and the even earlier Form 1184, an illustrated folder. The June 21, 1932 price list mentions that information in that price list supercedes the #1184 folder. The folder was probably from 1931 or very early 1932. Vent ribs were available in the #1184 folder also. Vent ribs came a lot earlier than some think.

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#173680 - 01/09/10 07:44 PM Re: Iver Supertrap a Win 21 Knock off? Compare Pics [Re: Researcher]
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Originally Posted By: Researcher
Who was a knock-off of who?!? I don't know when it was actually introduced, but the Iver Johnson Super-Trap was in their 1931 catalogue. Schwing says the Model 21 was introduced in 1930, but the company went into receivership almost immediately and by December 1931 was bought by Olin. All the early Model 21 paper he shows is dated 1931 or 32. The Trap Grade Model 21 was introduced in 1932 and the Tournament Grade in 1933.


Someone has a documented report of a Supertrap sale in 1925

Lou

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#173706 - 01/09/10 11:44 PM Re: Iver Supertrap a Win 21 Knock off? Compare Pics [Re: Bushmaster]
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When Winchester test fired several guns with their test loads, the Iver Johnson only lasted six rounds before it blew apart. I'm thinking this could be the same gun. But seriously, Bushmaster is right. This gun would look so much better with a with a splinter forearm. One that would go nice with those pretty, girlish roses in the background so that all of the women could shoot and admire.

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