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#173312 01/07/10 11:10 AM
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Anyone know of anyone who has an Ithaca Auto&Burglar that may like to sell?

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Donnie, did you or Serban either one have any luck on the three barrel shotgun? I do know the location of an Auto&Burglar, but its is in the hands of another 'gun-widow' I know, and it is not 'licensed', I don't think...Geo

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Can these still be licensed through the BATF as "any other weapon"? I know my club builds sawed off shotguns for customers and gets them licensed.
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Originally Posted By: italiansxs
Can these still be licensed through the BATF as "any other weapon"? I know my club builds sawed off shotguns for customers and gets them licensed.
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I seem to remember that there was a cut-off date for already manufactured non-conforming weapons, but I could be wrong. Newly manufactured guns can still be licensed...Geo

I tried to look it up, but found that the cotton-picking ATF had done away with their FAQ feature. The answer to your question is on the site (atf.gov) somewhere; maybe you can find it.

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Last time I inquired they can not be licensed.

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They are classified as AOW ( Any Other Weapon ). In short, if the gun does not currently have a "stamp", it is illegal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html

If the gun in question does have a stamp, you can purchase it. However, you must complete a Form 4 http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5320-4.pdf . The transfer, if interstate, must go through a Class III FFL. Your state must allow possession of such a weapon. Your local police deptmartment also must approve.

In the end, because of all the paperwork, the market for these guns is small.

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Keep an eye out at the auctions, they do come up,Jason at Amoskeag has had at one,maybe two that I can recall and Julia had one last March (sold for 5175 in the holster)

http://www.jamesdjulia.com/auctions/catalog_detail_shots.asp?Details=37290&sale=264


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Ok:
So what's to prevent me or anyone else from buying a conventional new double shotgun and getting ATF approval to "manufacture" it into a sawed off shotgun which requires only a $5.00 tax stamp? I have seen registered Remington 870s with 12" barrels and only a pistol grip for a stock. Is an Ithaca Auto burglar more lethal that this combination?
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I have a sawed off 12 gauge that I once used for western re-enactments made on the order of the gun supposedly carried by Doc Holliday on a lanyard attached to a swivel eye on the top of the rib. It measures 18.5 inches from muzzle to breach and is overall 26.75 inches with the stock cut and sanded to a "semi" pisto grip that is shaped more like the early flintlock or dueling pistols grips than a modern pistol grip. My group used to display and perform at local gun shows every now and again and I would always have this little sawed off displayed on our table. It never failed that at least one "customer" would look and gaze and mentally measure the piece before asking if they could "look at it." I usually responded by simply saying yes and handing them a flexible steel tape measure and admitting that I had them identified already!!! ATF was at each show, and they never failed to look at this gun. I told one of them once that I had wanted to cut it off even shorter but was unsure as to the licensing requirement. He told me that I could do so as long as I registered it with through the ATF and paid the tax on it, which he said was only $5.00. At another show I told the same story to another ATF agent and was told that I could NOT get it registered if I cut it shorter because it was not manufactured in that fashion. I didn't care enough to research it further, but it just goes to show you that you can get a different story from every ATF affiliate you speak with. I may get industrious enough to actually research it one day and if it is in fact only a $5.00 tax, I think I will do it.


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Check this out from Shotgunworld.com.
It is entitled "How to Build a Short Barreled Shotgun"

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=80131

I am not suggesting that anyone do this or that the author, who is not me, got it right.

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