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JayCee, Did you measure it for choke? Best, Ted
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Hello Ted, Haven't got any useable instrument, but as a reference, a loaded 20 bore shell fits in the rifled barrel's muzzle with almost a 1mm to spare on one side, whereas it is not even close to fitting into the left barrel that is marked full choke. Hope this gives you an idea. Bottom line, I would think no choke whatsoever on the "Raye" side. JC P.S.:
Last edited by JayCee; 11/12/09 10:37 PM.
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Hi, Just a little late but I think this will be intereting. "Raye" barrel was for ball,at least they have a ball (breneke like) for raye barrel: Martin
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I have a 1999 Verney-Carron catalog, in which they describe their "Grand Becassier" model (probably best translated as "Woodcock Special" in English). Here's how they describe the bottom barrel (it's an OU):
"Tube inferieur raye dispersant". In this case, the "dispersant" makes the purpose of the barrel very clear--even if it weren't on a "Woodcock Special".
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I have the impression that rifling was for both purposes. Short range shot and /or balls. JMHO Martin
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Hi Beleg,
Good of you to bring the thread back, as I have just borrowed the book "LE FUSIL ROBUST" by Jean-Claude MOURNETAS, that has interesting information.
-PeteM, the gun in question was made either in 1930 or 1931 which were the years the 36 model was made. The E is for ejectors and the S is for "Supra" rifled barrel.
As of 1923 Manufrance added the "S" to all its model numbers for guns with rifled barrels, i.e. Robusts, Idéals and even the single barreled Simplex.
-Larry, Geno and Beleg, the Supra barrels were in fact -as Beleg points out- dual purpose: for dispersion AND slugs. As soon as I have a little time I'll post some pictures that clarify this.
All for now.
Warmest Season's Greetings!
JC
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Hi JC!!! I sent you a PM. Martin
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Beleg, no PM has arrived. I have a dedicated email on my profile just in case.
Best,
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Robusts were typically . . . well, relatively "robust", in terms of weight--although certainly decent handling guns. I expect a slug through one would work fine. It probably would through something like the V-C "Woodcock Special" rifled barrel too, but in the case of a gun that's built very light, specifically for woodcock hunting, I'd think the recoil might be a bit excessive.
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Not all French woodcock guns with "raye" have a Supra type of rifling.
Geno.
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