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I went to a blackpowder clay shoot yesterday, well more of a vintage gun shoot if anything, and a friend who is a Gunsmith brought this along. He is always coming up with something mouthwatering from his personal collection. This is a William Powell patent lift lever:   It was originally made as a pin-fire but later converted by Powells into a centre-fire. When he obtained it it needed some work. He has re-sleeved the barrels; steel tubes onto damascus breech and then re-browned them. It wasn't until I took a close look that I could tell. The colour was even along the length. Now nitro proof and having a new lease of life. Just thought that I would share with you such an interesting gun. Lagopus.....
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Lagopus, here's another with it's Damascus tubes. I never thought of it as a conversion. What do you think ? The fence sculpting is really good, with the pin in the center of the sculpting apparently holding the toplever. Notice the load indicators in gold on the firing pins.  
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Wow. Beautiful guns fellas. Powells lifter actions are so unique and cool. Have you spied that Horsley on Champlins website? Whew, its gorgeous. http://www.champlinarms.com/Default.aspx...&GunID=1419It would make a nice knockabout gun, something to stick in the back window gun rack on the 77' Ford Ranger ya? :-)
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That Horsely is a neat gun. It looks like it has one of those pads on it that had the uneven black plate. Too bad as it takes away from a great gun.
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Daryl,I have an advertising poster for the Powell top lift lever guns. This poster pictures the gun both as P.F. and C.F.This poster is reproduced in Douglas Tates book, "Birmingham Gunmakers", page 93. Your gun is in my opinion, the C.F. version.A simlar gun #5709 previously in my collection was verified from the records at Powell,s as being manufactured as a C.F.
Powell,s have excellent records on the history of their numbered guns.Prior to the sale of the business,it was possible to obtain "gratis",details of the origional transaction.
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Can you share the serial number and the "Powells Patent" number?
I'm doing a study of those.
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I wonder how Powell's lift lever patent correlates to Horsley gun?
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Roy and Steve these are interesting guns with workmanship as good as one could find , I am sure. Mine is number 5750, No. 2 of at least a pair, probably. The reciever flats are marked Powell's over 1710 over Patent. "ss" is under the word Patent, but I am not sure it is part of the patent marking. As I remember, 1710 was a use number. It is also marked Powell's Patent on the top lever. I assume the 1710 may be for the Load Indicators, but my memory is not clear on that. It would be fun to find No. 1 of the pair [?].
The picture on 93 of Douglas Tate's book is for sure this type of gun. Glad Lagopus brought up these guns. Roy or Steve, do you know the contact info for the holder of the Records, now ?
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Daryl,
Your gun isn't a pinfire conversion. The firing pins are part of Powell's 1869 patent (No. 1055) for a loaded chamber indicator.
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Daryl,
The "1710" is for the 1864 patent (No. 1163). Your gun should date to about 1875/1876.
Steve Helsley
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