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I picked up a Robust doubel barrel shotgun. Some time ago for a future double rifle project. And the more I look at it I admire the craftmanship.As every thing fits so well. Like a GOOD swiss watck. ANd very little info on the internet.?? any info would be appericated.Whitey Email whanson@plainstel.com
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About the time France abandoned Algeria a large number of used 16 GUAGE (see, I'm catchin' on; didn't even THINK the "B-word"!) Robusts were sold on the US market by retailers that usually specialized in milsurps.
Anybody know about any connection between these events? I had one; they weren't specialized military "riot guns," just plain 27" field grade guns with sling swivels. Good value for the money; great rainy day gun.
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Thanks Mike. Do you know if they was engraved etc. With silver plated receivers.? Was that their field grade.? As IMO They was very well made.But I know very little about double barrel shotguns. Whitey
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Mike, the connection between an influx of used Robusts and Algerian independence . . . I'd have to say that's one I've never heard. What's your source on that?
Whitey, I haven't reviewed the threads Drew posted. However, the Robust was undoubtedly France's most popular sxs shotgun. I've seen a figure of close to a million of them produced--by Manufrance, which is short for French Arms & Cycle Factory, St. Etienne. Most of the ones you see will be from the pre-WWII period, although some were imported much later than that. The older ones, in particular, are very likely to have "stepped" barrels, where they fit into the monobloc breech, rather than the usual taper. They were made in several different grades, from very plain--no engraving, just a case-colored receiver--to quite fancy with a lot of engraving. Some of them had retracting slings that disappear into the stock. Virtually all of them have sling swivels, whether they have the retractable sling or not.
Good, solid guns, somewhat heavier than some other French sxs. "Robust" was a good name choice. Fits very well.
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Whitey, the one's I'm referring to were very plain blued/cased guns with no engraving and very coarse checkering, about like a Nitro Special. The one I had had no markings indicating police or paramilitary use, just lots of use....
Mr. Brown, my "source" is my memory of the ads in old gun mags from that time; I bought the Robust 16 from such an ad. My books and files are under a ton of crap right now while the office gets remodelled. When the work is done, I'll try to find the ad or the reciept for the 16; I may have kept it although the gun went for cash in one of our periodic "recessions"....can't remember which one. Seems like I've lived thru about 5! They sure don't help the gun "accumulation" (wouldn't dignify it as a "collection"). I may well still have the original magazine. I remember asking the dealer where the guns came from, and the guy manning the phone told me "North Africa." Since I was buying the gun anyway, I "bought the story" along with it....
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Thanks guy's Mine is a earlier model. That I had got for a Double Rifle project in the future. And the more I looked at it. The more I want to make sure I was not using something that could be important.As it is very well made and super tight for it's age.The silver just needs cleaning and polishing. And it seems as I don't have to feel guilty for the purpose I got it for.Thanks again. Whitey
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There are a lot of things one can and should do with a Robust, but, converting it to a double rifle isn't one of them. Why do people insist on believing any double shotgun can be converted to a double rifle with success?
Best, Ted
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