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I finally got around to measuring the drop at heel on my Adams .577 SxS. I knew it was a lot but I didn't think it would be 3 7/8". Looks like a restock is called for. This must have bruised a lot of cheekbones in it's life. I wonder if it has knocked anyone unconscious.

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Any thoughts about getting something made similar to a leather lace up style cheek-piece? Just have the build up padding on top of the heel? Just to keep it origional?

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AkMike1, the stock isn't in great shape. I'm not sure that its even walnut. It looks like a very plain piece of hardwood that has been inked and stained to look sort of like walnut with some figure. I'd rather do it right with a nice piece of walnut and make it fit. Even though its a BPE a .577 with 150-160 or so grains of black powder or equivlent smokeless isn't something I want to shoot juryrigged.

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True enough! I assumed that it was in better shape. My 500 BPE is fun and I can imagine that the 577 is .77 more fun!
Good Luck with her!

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Thanks Mike. I need to start accumulating bullets/mold and cases. When the stock is done I can get right on the regulating part.

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That should be fairly easy for the 2 3/4 or 3" 577. There are loads available at nitroexpress.com. if you want to try "white powder". (Nitro for black.)

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Mike I have found lots of load data for the 3".577 Nitro but very little of anything for the 2 3/4" .577 BPE. I've had one answer to my question "Is the 2 3/4" .577 Nitro case the same as the 2 3/4" .577 BPE". He said it was. So, I'm trying to make an order for 20 cases. As soon as they work out a website glitch I'll send my order in.

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'Marrikai' in Austrailia has one IIRC and he's posted about it there. That beast would take ALOT od cerrosafe to cast it!

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Mike I just ordered 30oz of cerrosafe last week. Good thing its reuseable I also have to cast a 12bore double rifle and a rifle chamber on a drilling. Whats IIRC?

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It means "If I Recall Correctly". My nephew taught me that one!

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Thanks AKM, I will chip in, hope I can help.

MikeH:
A couple of points on the stock first. Many early Brit or European doubles had a lot of drop in the stock, but it does not necessarily translate to recoil on the cheek-bone. Remember that they were built in an era when African and Indian big game hunting was a very real thing, and the large-bore rifles and bore-guns of the day were designed to be shot standing off-hand at fairly close range (by today's standards). Stocks were designed specifically for off-hand shooting in a very upright position, so the shooter was not 'crouched' into the shot, but remained in a position to respond immediately to the consequences of the shot! Vintage hunting rifles were never intended to be fired from a bench! ...or even sitting, let alone prone!

Also, the rifles in question recoil with a 'big shove' rather than a 'belt'. With today's relatively light-weight magnums, a kick in the chops usually results from high 'recoil velocity' whereby the body's inertia prevents it being pushed back quickly, so the muzzles have to rise, and a belt in the face ensues.

Having said all that, some were stocked for tall men with 'long' faces, and may need modification. Why not try bending the stock, especially as it sounds like you have nothing to lose? I have only done shotguns in the past, one a Cashmore side-lock, but I'm about to do a Rodda crystal-indicator sidelock .500 Cordite Express with an old Indian re-stock which has incorrect cast for my build. I simply clamp the action-bar in a padded vise, build a jig out of scrap timber incorporating a furniture clamp, and set it up so that hot linseed oil can be ladled over the wrist, while putting a turn on the furniture clamp every few minutes. I can post more details if required.

Personally, I reckon the .577 x 2 3/4 is the best chambering for a double rifle, it's probably my favourite cartridge, particularly in the 'Light Nitro' loading. After being asked about it numerous times, I finally consolidated my thoughts on the cartridge and tossed a summary up on the web, view it here!

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If the barrels are 26 or 28 inch, I would recommend starting at ~90 gr Varget beneath the 650gr Woodleigh RNSN (Cat.No. 5 for BP Express), with a magnum primer, and just enough felt wadding (or a BIG bunch of dacron) to slightly compress the load. Use a chrono and work up to 1650 fps or thereabouts, looking for barrel regulation. That velocity should be achieved with less than ~8 tons of pressure, well below the 10 tons generated by the original BP Express load with only a 570 gr lead bullet.

(all the usual warnings, start 10% below, no liability, etc, etc... )

If you want to shoot lead bullets, you need go no further than Sherman Bell's recommendations in the Spring 2005 DGJ. He brought a Greener hammerless double chambered for the 2 3/4 .577 Express out to Australia, and hunted buffalo with ol'mate Dave L_. He used 570 gr 'long flat nose' (LFN) lead bullets from an LBT mold, loaded over 70 gr IMR4198 with 8 gr dacron wadding, and they produced 1700 fps MV and 3 1/4 inch groups at 100 yds (with express sights). Worked well on buffalo, too!

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Thanks for the info Marrakai. But I'm not going to try and shoot it with 1 5/8" more drop than what fits me. Bending a pistol grip stock with a full TG tang made of an unknown type of wood just doesn't seem worth the effort. I read Mr. Bell's article and I think that I'll try the LFN bullets first. My order of Cerrosafe arrived today so I'm going to do the chamber casts tomorrow.

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What I have to say about shooting .577-2&3/4" BPE - it's real fun! I got aprx. 1900 fps with 520 gr HP bullet and 158 gr of BP powder FFFg (Russian powder). I needed cross point at 50 meters and I got it with this load. Shooting is very comfortable and remind me something like 3" Magnum from heavy 12G double, thou this gun weight is a bit less, than 9 pounds.
I shoot 560 gr bullet also and 160 gr of the same BP powder gives much more sensitive kick and I got mark at my middle finger, that hurts. Moreover there was no crossing point with this bullets and loads and I gave it up.
When you find right loads with right bullets for your Adams, you'll figure out your happy man!
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Thanks Geno. Really I'm a happy man already. The Adams has scratched a 40 year itch. I've wanted a DR for a long time. Wouldn't you know it. Now that I've found one that I can afford I've got a lead on a German double rifle in 9.3x74R with a set of 20ga barrels also.

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I have a Chapuis 9.3X74R coming in a week or so. I love that caliber! The Pedersoli DR will go when it gets here.

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German double rifle in 9.3x74R

Mike: Buy that one too!

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If I can ever get the guy to answer email. I've been trying to contact him for 6 months. He has answered one email sending me some photos that are in some kind of program that I can't open. He hasn't answered any other emails from me. But at $2800 - $3000 it sounds like a very good buy.

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