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Thanks guys for all the responses! Being fairly new to doubles, I'm intrigued by the Darnes and Ljutic since these names are new to me. I guess my question should have been; if you were tasked with building and machining the strongest, most durable, action/frame for full power 3" 12ga loads, what existing model would you base your design off of? "Best" was the wrong word since that's a really subjective term and probably based on more factors than just strength. If you guys have pictures of any of these please post or feel free to email directly to me, sd.lister at hot mail.
Thanks again!
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Chuck:
That's one of those - "If I only had the chance to do it over again" deals. I've got a few of those also.
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There are lots of great actions that can handle such a load. I don't know how many people will agree with me but a simple underlug action with a Greener Crossbolt is the route I'd take.
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L1911, Here is an article on Darne. JC
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Chuck, good to know, just in case one pops up in these whereabouts at a lowly price.
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Hi Lister 1911:
I can remember reading in the early 60's that P.O. Ackley claimed that the Winchester 97 was the only shotgun that he would consider for a rifle cartridge. I think that he did indeed make up some 97's chambered for rifle cartridges at the time and they worked quite well. I always took what he said with a grain of salt!
Perhaps others may recall of him making this statement.
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I would expect any well designed multiple lockup system, using modern strong alloy steels and oversize locking surfaces to hold up well. Oversize hinge pin, cross bolt, and underlug would seem plenty. Modern Merkels would seem to be good choice. Only "problems" I see with my 100 or so year old hammer doubles is the "soft", low-C steels they are made of, as well as, sometimes smaller locking surfaces than might be desirable.
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I think the answer to lister1911's questions may be moot in practical application. The "best" to one person may be a ill fit to another that shoots for different reasons. For example: a Ljutic or Perazzi target gun of heavy weight would be a terrible chukar/quail gun. The reverse: A H&H or Purdey light game gun worth a couple hundred thousand dollars would be a bad choice for most target shooting applications that consume hundreds of thousands of rounds.
Once again, more evidence that many guns are needed (by me anyway). I'll tell my wife again.
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Thanks guys for all the responses! Being fairly new to doubles, I'm intrigued by the Darnes and Ljutic since these names are new to me. I guess my question should have been; if you were tasked with building and machining the strongest, most durable, action/frame for full power 3" 12ga loads, what existing model would you base your design off of? "Best" was the wrong word since that's a really subjective term and probably based on more factors than just strength. If you guys have pictures of any of these please post or feel free to email directly to me, sd.lister at hot mail.
Thanks again! We can only learn if we ask questions. Strength is a relative issue in this case. You can build for strength, eg will survive 5x a proof load, or you can build for reliability, eg can go for 100,000 rounds without any parts wearing breaking. So often these discussions focus on one or the other. A truly good gun is a comprise that hopefully takes strength and reliability into account. I am happy with a monobloc and greener cross bolt. Are there better designs around? Yes, but I will never need them. Pete
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I recall Roy Dunlap in his book "Gunsmithing" saying the 97 Win was strong enough to handle a .30-06. P O Ackley may have said something very similar, Dunlap just happens to be the one I read.
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