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#163755 - 10/11/09 11:34 AM J.P. Clabrough & Bros. dating manufacture
Jerry Mouer Offline
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Registered: 10/17/04
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Loc: MD
I went to a local auction last week and came home with a couple of treasures, the Clabrough and a E Stiegele 4mm Zimmerschutzen.
I'm hoping I can date the Clabrough, it's in nice condition, assisted opening and autoejectors, barrels stamped Fine Damascus. I don't have much information on this maker.
Thanks, Jerry

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#163756 - 10/11/09 11:39 AM Re: J.P. Clabrough & Bros. dating manufacture [Re: Jerry Mouer]
Jerry Mouer Offline
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#163757 - 10/11/09 11:42 AM Re: J.P. Clabrough & Bros. dating manufacture [Re: Jerry Mouer]
Jerry Mouer Offline
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#163760 - 10/11/09 11:47 AM Re: J.P. Clabrough & Bros. dating manufacture [Re: Jerry Mouer]
775 Offline
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Registered: 04/30/04
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Loc: St Charles, Illinois
I have one in the 17,000 range...was thought to be from early 1880's/late 70's.
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#163764 - 10/11/09 12:17 PM Re: J.P. Clabrough & Bros. dating manufacture [Re: 775]
Berrien Moore Offline
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I have a hammer sidelock with sn# in the 19k range--congratulations on your find.

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#163789 - 10/11/09 05:51 PM Re: J.P. Clabrough & Bros. dating manufacture [Re: Berrien Moore]
Terry Lubzinski Offline
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Jerry, The choke stampings put the date of proofing post 1887.

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#163836 - 10/12/09 04:52 AM Re: J.P. Clabrough & Bros. dating manufacture [Re: Terry Lubzinski]
lagopus Offline
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Registered: 06/22/08
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Loc: Derbyshire, England
I think that they only used that style of address and name from 1893 to 1895 so that should narrow it down a lot. Lagopus.....

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#163838 - 10/12/09 07:13 AM Re: J.P. Clabrough & Bros. dating manufacture [Re: lagopus]
Roy Hebbes Offline
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The book, J.P.Clabough & Bros; by Lawrence P. Shelton, provides a great deal of background information on the Clabrough business,including copies of catalogues.From this book we learn that Clabrough used the words, "London Fine Damascus,"on guns as far back as serial #3229. This particular gun was made between 1875-1887 because the proof marks include the legened" Not for ball," Other guns illustrated #34385 & 34303 are said to have been made circa 1890. Based on the 1892-3 catalogue reproduced in the book, your gun is their #2 model, which sold fo $100. By comparison their #4 gun sold for $250. In the same catalogue a W.& C.Scott "Premiere" is listed at $265.
It is understood that Mr Shelton is soon to release a second updated edition of his Clabrough book.
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#163839 - 10/12/09 07:39 AM Re: J.P. Clabrough & Bros. dating manufacture [Re: Roy Hebbes]
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Roy is correct. I spoke with Larry Shelton earlier this year. He has continued his research and is going to provide a great deal of depth about Clabrough and his life.
He can be contacted at:
lsheltonsxs@sbcglobal.net

Pete

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#163841 - 10/12/09 08:25 AM Re: J.P. Clabrough & Bros. dating manufacture [Re: PeteM]
justin Offline
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Joseph Vorisek's research puts the date at 1891. His chart is a bit confusing but there are pictures reprinted from catalogues and a good history of the guns and the company.

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#163863 - 10/12/09 02:24 PM Re: J.P. Clabrough & Bros. dating manufacture [Re: justin]
lagopus Offline
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Registered: 06/22/08
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Roy, Pete that's another book I need for my library. I didn't know that it exsisted. Would you know if Lawrence Shelton would mind me e-mailing him in order to request a copy of the book when available? Is the Author in America as I would need him to be willing to ship a copy to the U.K.? I see Clabough guns here from time to time but I think that the greater part of his stuff went abroad. Most that I have seen have been hammer guns made as wildfowl guns. Lagopus.....

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#163871 - 10/12/09 03:21 PM Re: J.P. Clabrough & Bros. dating manufacture [Re: lagopus]
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Originally Posted By: lagopus
Roy, Pete that's another book I need for my library. I didn't know that it exsisted. Would you know if Lawrence Shelton would mind me e-mailing him in order to request a copy of the book when available? Is the Author in America as I would need him to be willing to ship a copy to the U.K.? I see Clabough guns here from time to time but I think that the greater part of his stuff went abroad. Most that I have seen have been hammer guns made as wildfowl guns. Lagopus.....


Drop him an email. I am sure he will get a copy to you. He is located in California, if memory serves.


Pete

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#163884 - 10/12/09 05:43 PM Re: J.P. Clabrough & Bros. dating manufacture [Re: PeteM]
Jerry Mouer Offline
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Registered: 10/17/04
Posts: 181
Loc: MD

I've gone over this shotgun back to front, mechanis are perfert, a tribute to the craftsmen of a bygone era. The Damascus barrels and ribs are beautiful, two ivory beads, it also features a Greener crossbolt through the rib extension. Envraving is around 80-90%. Thanks to all. Regards, Jerry

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#163885 - 10/12/09 05:46 PM Re: J.P. Clabrough & Bros. dating manufacture [Re: Jerry Mouer]
Jerry Mouer Offline
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#163887 - 10/12/09 05:48 PM Re: J.P. Clabrough & Bros. dating manufacture [Re: Jerry Mouer]
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#163888 - 10/12/09 05:54 PM Re: J.P. Clabrough & Bros. dating manufacture [Re: Jerry Mouer]
Jerry Mouer Offline
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Registered: 10/17/04
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