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mario 16-65:

Look for examples by the following:
F. Moravek,

A. Lebeda

F. Faukner

Lovena

Wenzel Morgenstern – Weipert, Bohemia

Gustav Bittner

Eduard Schmidl

Elias Schwab

Rudolf Harnisch

Johann Kalezky

Here's a Lovena boxlock that looks to be sourced from Germany?? - http://www.gulfcoastguns.com/1007.htm

Also I found some info on Frantisek Faukner and wonder if you could translate it: http://www.guns-info.cz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1792 . Here is a forced translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl...l%3Den%26sa%3DG

And a core portion of makers of Mr. Bob Jone's wishlist are Bohemian: http://www.bobjonesguns.com/wanted.asp

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

If it's indeed a cyrillic "у" that world mark the gun at least pre-WW2, if not pre-WW1. I'll try to find pics of guns from that time

... and yes, I did see "y-in-circle" and "y-in-trapezioid" marks, but never "Y" alone. And the shape of the letter is different.

Here's a Belgian sourced/completed sidelock at Cabelas retailed in either Austria or Bohemia: http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/conten...erarchyId=11653 .

And here's a Belgian sideplated boxlock with that same little demon of a date symbol(3rd row, 1st column): http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/conten...erarchyId=11653

This may be a sleeper or one of the lower end examples of Ostrava Gustav Tichy in Ostrava or Mahrisch Ostrau(German name?) so I'd like to see the proofmarks:
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/conten...erarchyId=11651

Ostrava Gustav Tichy was an apprentice of Frantisek Faukner and may have sourced or finished it. It looks to have the halmarks of a German frame. Has anyone had this one in their hands?

Here's a Frantisek Faukner(Faulkner???) boxlock sourced in Belgium and reproofed or stamped with the Czech mark(on right tube flat) which is the Prague stamp for a arm imported from Belgium: http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/conten...erarchyId=11651

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Your Proof House should be able to tell you about the marks. Have you tried them yet? Lagopus.....

No I don't tried them yet. I don,t no who to talk. On Police said that is gun of unknow maker, "hamerless" and that's it.
I talk only with my friends for now. They are hunters, but they don't no a lot.I will ask some beter craftsmen-gunsmith. There are few of them in Capital City - Zagreb.
Thank's for suport.

Frantisek Faukner gun look's as mine?
Thanks Raimey.

Gustav Tichy apparently outsourced some of his guns in Belgium. Here's pics of one gun http://www.huntclub.ru/cgi/bbs/guns?r=114234&l=11900 and its proofmarks http://www.huntclub.ru/cgi/bbs/guns?r=114235&l=11900 and some more pics http://www.conclav.ru/gallery/show.php?id=54

Humpty Dumpty:

I'd go a bit further and say most of the Gustav Tichy of Ostrava examples were sourced from Belgium. Almost all of the Weipert contigent sourced components, if not completed/finished longarms, from Belgium.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

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