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#156462 - 08/01/09 10:50 AM W.A.SUKALLE [SUKALLY] .22 MARTINI ON CABELAS
Alvin Linden #1 Offline
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HEY GUYS ! There's a very nice .22 Martini Henry on CABELAS Gun Library at Post Falls Idaho for $800. They have it listed as by W.A.SUKALLY but I bet a sawbuck it is by W.A.Sukalle the great barrel maker from Arizona and gunmaker to Jack O'Connor! I'M NOT A .22 MAN...GO FOR IT!!! JERRY
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#156523 - 08/01/09 11:43 PM Re: W.A.SUKALLE [SUKALLY] .22 MARTINI ON CABELAS [Re: Alvin Linden #1]
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Does that wood look original? The but may have shrunk a bit, the buttplate is larger than the wood and the checkering is not the best.
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#156547 - 08/02/09 09:26 AM Re: W.A.SUKALLE [SUKALLY] .22 MARTINI ON CABELAS [Re: Recoil Rob]
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My take here is that Sukalle merely rebarreled a large frame Martini sporting rifle, leaving the original stock and receiver finish alone. Looks, too, like someone added a trigger overtravel screw.

For that kind of money I would go for the BSA 12/15 Martini the same store has listed. I just never cared for .22s on large frame Martinis.

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#156555 - 08/02/09 10:19 AM Re: W.A.SUKALLE [SUKALLY] .22 MARTINI ON CABELAS [Re: Alvin Linden #1]
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HEY...You guys are the single shot experts! The last Martini I held was chambered in .577 Spanish Olive! However,the last factory engraved [albeit lightly and as I recall, identical to this one] MARTINI SPORTING RIFLE action only, I saw on James D. Julia's auction site, brought well over $600. If the bore is good and Sukalle barrelled it,it wll shoot, or can be made to shoot!!! Just an aside ...I am surprised noone has mentioned the fact the barrel where it enters the action has the Sukalle tool stamp .218, [I recognize his tool lettering as I have 3 of his rifles] as in .218 Bee! These guys at CABELAS'S GUN LIBRARY are not the sharpest knives in the drawer! Could they have taken in the rifle and seeing .218 assumed a .22 rimfire? I noticed in the ad they did not specify rim or centerfire. Anyway look at the pictures, it definitly says .218! Could it be a rechamber? Just remember... DON'T SHOOT ME ...I'M JUST THE PIANO PLAYER!!! WARMEST REGARDS JERRY
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#156556 - 08/02/09 10:59 AM Re: W.A.SUKALLE [SUKALLY] .22 MARTINI ON CABELAS [Re: Alvin Linden #1]
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Jerry keep them coming you are a Great PIANO PLAYER. Smile Whitey

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#156564 - 08/02/09 12:05 PM Re: W.A.SUKALLE [SUKALLY] .22 MARTINI ON CABELAS [Re: whitey]
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I just called them, it's a Sukalle, Phoenx, AZ and they say they're sure it's a .22RF, the checked and it has a RF firing pin, not a CF. They said the gun was proofed in England and they go by bore size?

Then again they were sure it's a SUKALLY...
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#156570 - 08/02/09 12:48 PM Re: W.A.SUKALLE [SUKALLY] .22 MARTINI ON CABELAS [Re: Recoil Rob]
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Perhaps a .218 Bee when Sukalle built it, late someone set the barrel back and altered the firing pin to make a rim fire.

He was really a barrel maker only, did little wood work, and that is not high quality. But, some of the best stock makers used his barreled actions - Owen and Minier from the early days, Gowens later.

I spent a very pleasant afternoon talking with him circa August 1964, and left with the top well of my '62 Corvette loaded with interesting single shots. Ballard #6 1/2 with Peterson .22 barrel, Stevens #35 with Stevens Pope barrel, Remington rolling block pistol with Stevens Pope barrel, Tompkins pistol. All things he had used in competition. Stupidly did not accept his offer of his elk rifle, an Enfield he had built in .375 H & H with a seriously ugly stock, but he had used it for years and taken many head with it.

I'll try to get a photo up of the Ballard.

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#156584 - 08/02/09 03:34 PM Re: W.A.SUKALLE [SUKALLY] .22 MARTINI ON CABELAS [Re: Terry Buffum]
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For Terry, I hope this is the right one.

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#156612 - 08/02/09 07:43 PM Re: W.A.SUKALLE [SUKALLY] .22 MARTINI ON CABELAS [Re: Michael Petrov]
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Good story Terry!

(BTW: shot guns with Tim & Daryl today, but he didn't bring the BIW, maybe next time. He REALLY likes that Greener 16.)
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#156676 - 08/03/09 09:56 AM Re: W.A.SUKALLE [SUKALLY] .22 MARTINI ON CABELAS [Re: SDH-MT]
The Double D Offline
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Registered: 03/22/08
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I don't see any British proof marks on that barrel. Remember the British proof house loves to vandalize good clean metal by stamping every square inch of the cylinder.

I wonder if they are seeing a bushed breech block with reduce striker. Although if the gun has been fired there should be "wear" marks from the cartridge head and off set for .22. I wonder even more if they know how to get the breech block out to look.

British mark for .22 is .220 not .218.

The action looks like and old British commercial action--perhaps that is where they are getting the British proofs.

And if you like the price on the 12/15, I'll sell you mine and go buy two more.

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