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Peter:

Fun I am having. I wish the government/current admin. would keep their nose of of Google Book's deal with authors/publishers.

Let me muddy the water a bit with the brand name: "S.B.& Co." - Summers Iron Works - Summers Brothers & Company - Struthers, Mahoning County, Ohio - http://books.google.com/books?id=azUKAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA131&dq=s.b.%26+company+steel&lr= . I've got to research it a bit to see where it went.

Summers Brothers & Company was acquired in 1895 by Struthers Iron & Steel Company in Ohio. They made sheet steel and short bars. In 1900 they were absorbed under the umbrella of American Sheet Steel Company of New Jersey:
http://books.google.com/books?id=pmQ5AAA...company&lr= .


Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

But of course: http://books.google.com/books?id=OaFKAAA...ca+steel+brands (it should be at the top of several of the pages) .

Ludlum Spring and Steel Company of Pompoton, N.J. began in 1854 and were excellent quality control folks bordering on the edge of insane. In 1906 they began construction on a facility in Watervliet, N.Y. with an electric furnance much like Roechling. Plumbago crucibles were used as well as short bars of either Swedish, Wallon or Styrian charcoal iron. The end product may have actually been better than Roechling and was quite cheap for the end product. At one time industrial spies were sent to work at Ludlum Spring and Steel Company(inc. in 1898 I think) and after a couple of weeks they returned to their master with a report. Ludlum Spring and Steel had the same mixture as their competitor but after 4 hours of heating they were Johnny on the spot with their very specific time table of activity.

As a sidenote, Bethlehem Steel Company made tubes for Winchester and possibly Remington:
http://books.google.com/books?id=g28AAAA...barrels&lr=

A 2001 text with the title of "Home Of Morgan" by Chernow notes that German investors were trying to acquire Bethlehem Steel I think during WWI.

Circa 1900, other barrel, could have been big guns, makers were:
Carpenter Steel Company
Midvale Steel Company
Sanderson Brothers Steel Company
Spauldings & Jennings
http://books.google.com/books?id=wNmgAAA...l+steel&lr=




Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Here is an article on Tariff Review or the effects of the McKinley Tariff that show just how many guns were being imported from 1886 to 1896(note the big drop in 1892): http://books.google.com/books?id=WOouAAA...ted+gun+barrels .

I think the main rift between gun dealers in NY was of the between Schoverling, Daly & Gales, who were making a mint, and the rest of the gun making community. Circa 1893 there are accounts of one steamship carrying a lot of 1000 gun barrels and another lot of 1000 gunstocks. The ommission of the term "gun parts" in the original tariff led to the Supreme Court upholding a lower courts decision that the tariff didn't apply. Nelson Dingy or the Dingy Tariff played some part and for now I don't know what.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Baldwin Brothers and Company, 1876 NY list - http://books.google.com/books?id=6CcoAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA229&dq=Baldwin+Bros.+%26+Co.+N.Y+importer ,
of 72 Broadway, N.Y., was the importer of/for Whitworth gun tubes. Anyone have any examples or info noting Baldwin Brothers & Company on the Whitworth tubes?

In 1883, rough bored tubes were first addressed/considered. The of course in 1890 and also 1894 the term "barrels" was contained in the law/tariff. But in 1897, and more than likely the Dingy tariff bill, the wording is "shotgun barrels, in single tubes, forged, rough bored" - free - http://books.google.com/books?id=2pEaAAA...barrels&lr= , while double barrels were $3 plus 35%. Also note that combination barrels were a separate category. The term "forged" is where the U.S. goverment took Baldwin Brothers & Company to task asking if Whitworth tubes were "forged" or not.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Is there any evidence to indicate whether or not these marketing names had any bearing on the quality or strength of the steels used?

I think there was a different composition associated with each brand name and most writers of the time answered the tube steel questions thusly(beginning bottom left): http://books.google.com/books?id=GkQQAAA...l,+rolled+steel

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Looking through my bone pile today and picked up a set of later NID barrels that were never struck after assembly. Clearly marked "SB & Co T" My photo set up is dpwn but I can post a photo tomorrow if you would care to see it.

Walt,

That would be great if you did.

Pete

Here are the marks as best as I could get them. Interesting-the barrels are chambered and finished bored AND proofed before the excess solder was struck off.

Walt,

Thanks a bunch. It adds information that has to be reconciled. Is that a U to the right?

Pete