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Norm: I don't know the answer yet, but I'll look. I was chasing brand/tradenames when I found the Cumberland Steel Company. The Crucible Steel Company of America( http://www.crumetals.com/steelworkers.cfm ) is really the key as of July 1900 it was incorporated and looks to have the following under its unbrella: http://books.google.com/books?id=k_kMAAA...yracuse&lr= . In 1888, the company was listed in Pittsburgh with the works in Cumberland, Alleghany county, Maryland - http://books.google.com/books?id=wi0qAAA...lt&resnum=1 . They made tools steel and under the Crucible Steel Company of America there is a slight possiblity they made tube steel. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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I can't find S. Buckley & Co. in ANY US city or business directory so believe Pete and Raimey are correct.
If SB&Co P is for Pittsburgh is SB&Co C for Cumberland or Crucible? Thanks all.
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For now I don't think "Crucible" would be stamped after a tradename/type steel; therefore, "C" would be for Cumberland and Cumberland of Maryland. But it is odd that one might be for a city while the other is a city/conglomerate/company(it might be the company was named after the city within which it operated?). But I do think that SB&Co. was a brand/tradename/type/variety of steel. It might be in the U.S. patent data.
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I am searching for an early M-37 barrel blue print. It was made by, I believe, one of the Pittsburgh boiler tube makers. If my memory is correct, they also made barrels for the .45 war time production. I started to "organize" my files and now can't find anything. And how to explain Harry's report on the composition of barrels made bu S. Buckley? This was info in a court case so I should think HArry would be careful to get the name right. But we are all human so a mistake could be made I suppose. Hope to be back later when I find the print. 
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My Ithaca # 6 Crass made in 1903 has "Crown Steel" barrels.
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I did finally find the drawing. It is from Flannery Bolt Co., Bridgeville, PA. To sum the title block, it appears to be a drawing for a 12 gauge Ithaca gun barrel, 1940. No mention for what model. There is a barrel forging drawing number referenced. I do know Flannery made barrels for the .45 production and these are marked with a F. This excursion sheds no light on the questions at hand, sorry for the red herring.
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Walt,
What year(s) are we looking at? Sometime between 1886-1920? I think I know the confusion, but need the year to confirm what was going on.
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Pete, I am in the midst of some exterior painting but will look it up this pm. Harry's note pertains to law suit about a 10 ga. blowing up and injuring the shooter. I have much if not all of the file so a date will be easy to establish. It will be in the early 1930s though.
Later.
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J.G. Riga was an importer of barrels from Belgium. His 1st customer was Forehand & Wadsworth. He also supplied barrels for Colt, Bacon Arms and C.S. Shattuck. He would purchase barrels from many small makers and ship them via Antwerp.
I believe S. Buckley & Co was an import house in New York that would receive the barrels for him, BUT I need a date to confirm Buckley's role.
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Too hot to paint, besides, gun research is a lot more fun. Found the file. The gun in question was finished during July 1929. It was a Grade 2 Super 10. The suit didn't start until 1944. Here is part of Harry's deposition when asked how the company made the gun in question. "...we purchase our barrels forged and rough drilled from the Flannery Belt[Bolt] Co., Bridgeville, Pa. " I hadn't read this document before. He goes on the tell all other forgings are bought from Clapp Mfg., Auburn, NY. (Clapp was still in business a few years ago as I called them to talk with anyone who remembered Ithaca.), the brazing and soldering of "lugs and Loops, ribs, etc. A lot of discussion about proofing, etc. Most interesting and I shall be engrossed a while...
The company was not allowed to examine the gun or the shell used at the time of the accident. Harry's reference to Flannery creats a puzzle as to how S. Buckley came into the deal??? Is Harry talking 1944 although the gun was made in 1929? I know Ithaca carried a lot of unfinished inventory as I have a photo of the barrel storage and there were a lot of tubes there. Harry was asked about "That" gun so I should think he is referring to 1929 manufacture?
Later.
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