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#152523 - 06/26/09 10:02 PM R. Grove hammer gun
tanky Offline
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Do any of you hammer gun fans know when and where this gun was made? Any info on R Grove? This gun is a 10 ga with 32" barrels. R. Grove is on each lock plate and the top rib. It has one of the most elaborate top ribs I've ever seen. There is a 3 leaf clover in the dolls head that may be gold. It could be brass but I don't see any green around it from age. It is matted very much like a Parker. There is a number 5 on the barrel flats and the forend. In the forend wood is stamped with the number 25302 under the left tube and 22 in the center. It has some quality engraving on it. The stock has a horn butt plate and is cracked thrue the wrist. On the water table is stamped with what looks like crossed hammers or picks with what looks like an A between the handels and something that I can't make out underneath. It is stamped on each side. [img][/img] [img][/img] [img][/img] [img][/img]

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#152527 - 06/26/09 10:43 PM Re: R. Grove hammer gun [Re: tanky]
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I looked over a Grove 10 ga hammer gun in Alabama a few years back...looked pretty well made. Sadly it had sewer pipes for barrels (severly pitted).
I could've got it for $400 but passed because of the nasty bores.

Could you show a picture of the inside of the locks ?

I'd say the crack could be fixed by the right guy....if it had good bores and the price was right I'd go for it.

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#152531 - 06/26/09 11:12 PM Re: R. Grove hammer gun [Re: HomelessjOe]
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The left tube passed thru the Birmingham proofhouse between 1875 & 1887. The mark on the watertable you refer to is probably a crowned set of crossed scepters. It might be a 10 bore, but the right tube may be a thick brass 12 bore.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
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Edited by ellenbr (06/26/09 11:15 PM)

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#152536 - 06/27/09 06:00 AM Re: R. Grove hammer gun [Re: ellenbr]
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Originally Posted By: ellenbr
It might be a 10 bore, but the right tube may be a thick brass 12 bore.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse


sAy what....

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#152537 - 06/27/09 06:31 AM Re: R. Grove hammer gun [Re: HomelessjOe]
lagopus Offline
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Might just be a tightly barrelled 10 bore. Never seen a 12/10 combination. Does it chamber a ten bore cartridge freely in both barrels? Black powder proof gun. I can only find details of one Grove and that was a James in Birmingham but was later than the date of your gun. I have found a Robert Groves (different spelling) in Richmond, Yorkshire but he pre dates your gun. It will all rest on the condition of the barrels. Interesting gun and worth checking out for usability.

It seems that more of these old British 10 bores turn up in America than here back in Britain. I have a job finding them. Lagopus.....

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#152542 - 06/27/09 07:22 AM Re: R. Grove hammer gun [Re: lagopus]
Roy Hebbes Offline
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Could simply be a proof house stamping error! Suggest that you measure the chamber dimensions; If I am correct Chamber sizes will be near identical and right bore diameter will be greater than .751 [Likely 11G.]. I have seen a similar error in the past!
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#152543 - 06/27/09 07:25 AM Re: R. Grove hammer gun [Re: lagopus]
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Originally Posted By: lagopus

It seems that more of these old British 10 bores turn up in America than here back in Britain. I have a job finding them. Lagopus.....

In part the lack of could be because you guys outlawed 10's in the Pigeon rings.

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#152564 - 06/27/09 11:06 AM Re: R. Grove hammer gun [Re: HomelessjOe]
tanky Offline
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Registered: 05/17/06
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Loc: New Jersey
This gun will take a 10ga shell. I was able to chamber and close the gun on a factory roll crimped 10 magnum shell. I did feal a little resistance at the end as the shell slid into the forcing cone. I measured the bore at the muzzle. It appears to be.765R and .760L. This is the best I can come up with by using the tool sold by Brownells that is made like scisors. The tool will only go in 3" so I may be measuring some of the choke in the left barrel. I can see that the left barrel has a choke and the right appears to be cylinder. This gun is heavy. The barrels are pitted but they don't seem to be deep. I would think they could be honed out with safety since the barrels appear to be pretty thick. I don't have a barrel wall measuring tool. Rear of the chamber measures .852. Joe, I will post a picture of the lock interior later. It appears Roy is right in that this gun has 11ga barrels. Is there any possibility that this gun was finnished here in the states with imported metal work? Maybe R. Grove was an American. What do you make of the number stamped in the forearm wood? I would say that the #5 on the steel parts is the serial # although it isn't visible on the action. This gun came from the Baltimore area so it may have seen alot of waterfowl hunting. I believe that the stock can be repaired also. The action is fairly loose but since I am a welder I could fix that. This will be a restoration project for my retirement. I have a few of those. The price was right on this one,free. It's a wall hanger now but I think it could be an attractive gun when restored.

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#152566 - 06/27/09 11:47 AM Re: R. Grove hammer gun [Re: tanky]
Joe Wood Offline
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It is a 10 gauge, 11 gauge bore and choked to 12 gauge at the muzzle. Nothing unusual about it for the time period it was made. Typical black powder proofs.
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#152570 - 06/27/09 12:27 PM Re: R. Grove hammer gun [Re: Joe Wood]
lagopus Offline
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HomelessJoe, I think the ten was never that popular here as anyone wanting a big bore for wildfowl went to an 8 or even a 4 and then the 12 magnum 3" sort of eclipsed it.

Tanky, I would strongly bet that the gun will have 2 5/8th. inch chambers. Most from that era were. Lagopus.....

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