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Where can you get a stock and forend made from your own wood for $800?

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Less than that 2 years ago from Donnie Gemes and Show Me Gunstocks in Warsaw, MO.


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You have a good memory. I have experienced three SxS forearm lug failures while shooting clays. The first was with an SKB M-485. The importer gave me a loaner for the 8 months it took to repair. The second was a high grade Huglu. The importer repaired this in two weeks--but the repairs appeared to be done with a brazing rod and were amateurishly done. The third lug failure was with a CSMC M-21. It was repaired and returned in less than 10 days and there was no evidence of repairs.

It appears this happens! The new RBL has a tail on the lug which bears against the receiver--so failure is almost impossible. The CSMC M-21 is true to the original M-21 design rather than an improved version so it could fail. A design change for the lug is out of the question for CSMC M-21s. Should the weld fail--it is covered under warranty--and quickly at no charge! I cannot complain about my service or treatment. C.S.M.C. has stood behind their product without hesitation.

Some opine the larger forearm causes the problem, but two of the guns I saw fail had beavertail forearms and one had a splinter. I use thumb pressure on the top of the barrel when opening the action rather than pulling on the forearm--so that is not an issue.

Some of the older shooters indicated this lug failure was not really unheard of and wasn't necessarily an indicator of poor workmanship.

I shoot both factory and reloads. Mostly 7/8 ounce 12 gauge loads at 1300 f.p.s.

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I think you are on the right track on your opening post. A Model 21 or a BSS are both good choices. A couple of months ago we had a Vintagers shoot at our club and I shot my first ever round of sporting clays with a 21. We only shot 50 targets, but I broke a 35, which I thought was OK. I shot my skeet round with the same gun and did pretty good. The one I used was a 12 gauge, 28", straight grip, IC/M, ST. It handles nicer than any other gun I have shot. That myth about them being clunky or clumsy is pure bunk. They are without a doubt the best SXS I have ever shot with. And I have an old one I use as a beater when I hunt. Can't beat 'em. And like I said, the BSS is a great gun, too. Good luck.

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You might also consider a Poli Sporting. Depending on current exchange rates you may be able to order a new one close to your price range. Especially if you should choose to go without ejectors or side plates. Fixed chokes would also save a little.


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zwego, I have your gun.
For the second time I have had Art of Art's Gun and Sport Shop in Hillsboro MO. mate a set of 30" BSS barrels to a BSS Sporter Frame. The finished product is a 30 inch Sporter that balances at the hingepin, oil finished english stock with semi-beavertail forend, single selective trigger, auto safety. DAC 1 5/8, DAH 2 5/8 and a LOP of 14 3/4 to a Kick-Eez pad. Wood is uncut and I've retained the Browning buttplate. Choked Full/Mod and just waiting for a set of Briley thinwalls.
I've been shooting it's twin at Skeet, S.C. and Continental Trap with such success that my buddies have suggested I sell all my other guns, that I had found my ultimate. I have also been shooting an original BSS 30 inch with a PG stock, mammouth beavertail forend and a blinding high gloss finish that's no slouch either.
It was said earlier that almost no side by side would/could stand up to thousands of rounds of heavy shooting. I beg to differ and offer up the Browning BSS side by side as a gun that can take it.
Art Issacson, a 25 year Browning gunnsmith has told me he feels the Brownings are dollar for dollar every bit as tough a gun as a Winchester 21. I own and shoot both and would have to agree.

99% gun shipped insured to your FFL, $3,000


The leftovers are also for sale, 12 gauge, 28", PG, Mod/Full, Kick-Eez pad added, uncut stock (saved the buttplate)
99% gun, $1,200 shipped insured to your FFL.

Good luck in your search. Bob

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The BSS Sporter frame is different from the standard BSS frame? Explain.

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12 gauge to 12 gauge, the frame size is the same with the exception of a longer trigger tang on the Sporter.
Semi-beavertail and english stock on the Sporter vs. a huge beavertail and pistol grip on a regular BSS

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the bss frame is extremely strong. years ago butch searcy used to modify them by adding screw grip like extension to make double rifles in cal. .45-70, .45-90,.....

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Only three grand for the BSS, Bob? Pretty big premium for the barrel swap.

For $3100, he can have an RBL with 32" bbls., much nicer standard wood than any BSS ever had, a beavertail forend that's much better shaped thsn the BSS's, choice of grip (I highly recommend a pistol grip over the straight grip), a case-colored, engraved receiver, choke tubes, two pads for adjusting l.o.p., cased. Real hard choice.
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