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If it is about the gun I posted the name Greenen was made up to be able to sell guns trading on the name of the famous W.W.Greener. Greener actually had a court case against the person using the name Greenen. Quite a few turn up and some were made in Belgium and some, like this one, were made using a Birmingham made action bought in the trade. This one of the better quality versions. I shall be visiting Greeners later this month about a Greener gun I have that they want photos of to feature in a forthcoming book. They are also interested in this gun; above, as he assumed that the vast majority were made in Belgium. There never was a maker called Greenen at The Strand, London. Usually on these forgery guns the address is somewhere vague on a prestigious street in London such as Oxford Street or The Strand but no actual street number is given. Lagopus.....
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Mike: During your visit, could you please take ultra close up pics of the new Greener old damascus barrels? Thanks!
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Drew, yes certainly if they are available. Lagopus.....
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it's not greener forgery but genuine greenen. why would they leave 'D' 'L' on there if they wanted it to be a faker? Faker piece would have 'S' 'F' or 'C' 'U' instead no? 
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How did Greener sue the guy for using Greenen ?
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Action was taken by Greener in 1895 under the British Merchandise Marks Act. In this case the unscrupulous company would receive an order for a Greener gun.The order was filled by stamping the name Greener on a gun of Belgian origin and shipping same to the unsuspecting customer. It is recorded that this same company was abusing the name of other British makers in a similar fashion.Greener was awarded 5000 pounds stirling in damages.
The company in question was a large volume dealer based in Australia.
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As for the Greenen, I was going by what Greeners told me on the subject; there is some mention of the action in Greener's book The Gun & Its Development.
A number of these Greenens turn up and having discussed the subject in the Internetgunclub site they put the name into their search facility.
The 'D' and the 'L' stand for Discharged and Loaded and were cocking indicators. A lot of people were mistrusting of the safety of some of these early hammerless actions and a number have some sort of patent loaded indicator.
Pete, that one is a shocker! I wish now that I had a photo of that James Pardey that I came across. Lagopus.....
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Today I posted an interesting item on genuine;Made by Joseph Manton guns. The post can be seen under the post, Vintage Doubles in India.
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