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Pete M, that address has an interesting history in itself. Charles Rosson of Derby bought it and set up his elder son, Charles Stanley Rosson up there and his younger son Percy James carried on with the Derby shop. It seems that at some time shortly following the death of Charles Snr. there was a disagreement between the two brothers and from then on each would deny the existance of the other and would always insist that there was no relationship between the two Rosssons. I have a hammer double which says on the top rib, Charles Rosson and Sons of Derby and at Norwich which must have been made before the bust up. Lagopus.....
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Pete M, that address has an interesting history in itself. Charles Rosson of Derby bought it and set up his elder son, Charles Stanley Rosson up there and his younger son Percy James carried on with the Derby shop. It seems that at some time shortly following the death of Charles Snr. there was a disagreement between the two brothers and from then on each would deny the existance of the other and would always insist that there was no relationship between the two Rosssons. I have a hammer double which says on the top rib, Charles Rosson and Sons of Derby and at Norwich which must have been made before the bust up. Lagopus..... That is a funny story. Sad, but it brought a smile to my face. Amazing when you really dig the sort of situations you uncover. Nicely done. Pete
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I live just north of Derby and have an interest in guns made locally there so see quite a few Rossons. I was lucky enough to be able to speak with an old timer who worked there and with another Derby Gunsmith. I did a lot of digging around on this Maker. I never could bottom the reason for the fall out but I suspect that it was to do with the old man's Will. The Derby Rosson finished in the 1950's and the Norwich Rosson sold out shortly afterwards to Charles Hellis then to Gallyons of Norwich. Lagopus.....
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Homeless Joe, that Cartwright gun in the photos looks to be of particularly high quality. One to go for if you can get it at the right price. Lagopus.....
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The barrels look like blued fluid steel in the photos...he assured me they were browned Damascus marked 2 & 1/2", nitro proofed at 3 tons with almost spotless bores. He said it was tight on face with a clean breach and firing pin holes. He rang the barrels over the phone. Says they are choked about improved and modified. I suspect the butt might be restocked.
I'll have it in hand by the end of next week...I got my fingers crossed that it will pass the Stan Baker bore gauge test.
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Joe: That's a heck of a good price for what looks to be a very nice backlock English hammergun regardless of which Cartwright he is. I would jump on it.
Just My Humble Opinion.....George
To see my guns go to www.mylandco.com Select "SPORTING GUNS " My E-Mail palmettotreasure@aol.com
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I see many similiar Back-actioned English Guns - with an assortment of makers names - were these actions sourced from someone similar to Wright's
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It looks to have the "Rigby" style forend lever latch. It was British patent no. 1793 of 1866 and I think designed or influenced by Charles Harvey. So it would date from say 1867 to 1880.
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Postoak, a lot of guns in Britain were made in the trade and sold off and then finished allowing that person to put their name on. After a while you sort of get the knack of working out who actually made it, either from the style or small initials of workers marked on the barrels or action. I would doubt if a quarter of the guns in my collection were actually made by the person whose name appears on the rib. Still, it all makes it very interesting. Lagopus.....
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I've got an Excellentia grade W.& C. Scott circa 1889/90 with the Rigby style fore arm latch....only Scott I've saw with it ?
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