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Have "C F Schilling St Louis Laminated Steel"-on rib 10 Ga
Jones underlever w/hinged forend. "A.S." underside Left BBL
"AH" in action well. "953" on Right BBL flat and Right action flat. No other markings except name on locks. High Grade
Bernard type BBLS-looks German
Charles Green -Rochester NY (1876-79) "A.S." on Left BBl
no other BBL or action flat markings.Fine Damascus BBLS.
Green patent action
Will have to chech other guns
Daryl and Bob -check your Green's
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Bill
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Yeah, I've seen a F. Schilling referenced that you have and have wondered how close of an association there was to Germany.
I'm working on compiling a list for Suhl Gunmakers in 1865(it may have been an event/exhibit in Koln) and have a couple so far:
Meffert
St. G. Rosch
Val. Chr. Schilling
Schuler(no initials or first name but I assume August and
for sure everyone in Suhl in 1865 knew Schuler's first name)
Schmitz & Habermann
Christoph/Christian Sturm - he & his son continued to make revolvers to at least WWI.
Thieme & Schlegelmilch(Louis was directing/working at Spandau)
One I haven't seen before was Octave Thierry of Luttich.
A sort of off the topic question, but does anyone know the first name of Sempert of Sempert & Krieghoff? I think was German and his first name began with an I or a J.
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Raimey
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McPhail:
Does either of the doubles you mentioned have the wide/Lindner type forend lug? If indeed of German origin the "A.S." would have been for August Schuler.
Frederick Schilling of St. Louis worked with or joined Johann Blickensdorfer in the late 1860s and I think they parted ways in the mid 1870s.
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Raimey
The Schilling I have is C F (Charles F). Sellars has him in St Louis 1875-79 then St Paul 1879-1889. This is not Frederick.
This as a Pinned forend like a M/L.
My T Golcher # 1120 has the wide forend lug but no other BBl
marks. The Green has "normal" forend lug.
None of these guns has Linder Marks
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Bill
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McPhail:
If I am not mistaken, Charles Fredrich Schilling of 12 3rd Street, St. Louis was the son of Fredrich Schilling, who looks to have left St. Louis in the mid to late 1870s and headed to Columbus, Ohio.
Any marks on the watertable of the T. Golcher #1120?
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Raimey
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Only water table marks on the T Golcher are "1120"
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Bill
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Here are some more Lindner Daly data.
#1366, Hammergun, crown, "AS"
#3494, Crown, Diamond, "LE"
#1308, HAL, 185, blurred, cannot decypher.
#1866, HAL, Diamond, "RS"
#1440, HAL, 185, "RS"
#1550, HAL, Diamond, "RS" THIS GUN IS MARKED "1" OF A PAIR. ANYONE KNOW THE WHEREABOUTS OF #1551?
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Bill, Charles Green #690 has only the Dec. 7,1875 , patent mark. This is not a conversion and weighs less than 6# in 12 ga. Locks are British.
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Interesting article on a H.A. Lindner sourced double possibly finished by E.C. Schmidt of Boston in the current GGCA publication No. 39, Spring 2009 as well as a skewed Greener crossbolt in Lindner #1574.
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I've found these craftsmen to be active in Suhl circa 1840:
Funk & Sohne
Jung & Sohne
Sauer & Sohn
Val. Chrst. Schilling - I'm curious if his son was named
Val. Christoph Schilling?
Sturm
Buttner
Kummer
Waffenfabrik Schlegelmilch with a steel drop hammer?
Nic. Gruber
Ernst & Georg Gruber
Heinrich Schilling
Heinrich Schilling jun.(Junior?)
Caspar Schilling
Stephan Schilling
Egidius Schilling
Eckhardt
Stephan Greifeldt
Stephan Chrst. Greifeldt
George Greifeldt
Gruber
Samuel Jung
Klett
Kolb
Conr.(?) Schuler
Muller
Schmidt
Gebruder Spangenberg
Bornmuller & Sohne
Keller & Schneider
Wilhelm Zschock
Bachof & Barthels
Ortlepp
Fredrich Zschock
Muller & Dohler
With Agents
Bornmuller, Opitz & Thieme
So Thieme & Schlegelmilch hadn't combined Thieme's marketing capability & Schlegelmilch's forge/hammer. This list also confirms that the makers used the same first names for their decendents due to the fact that one will see the same names in the post 1900 listings. For now this compounds the task of identification.
Kind Regards,
Raimey
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