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I seem to have accumulated about 2,000 smaller shotshell primers. Aside from locating older hulls to use them in would a Williams primer pocket peener tighten up modern hulls enough to use them?

Jack K

Even a peened primer pocket would leak gas. Do like I do. Put them on a shelf in the loading room and wait for 1960 to come back.

The only way to use them is the old hulls. There are enough of them and good data in the older Lyman books to make it a safe and enjoyable effort.(IMHO) I really like the old 16ga loads with 57/157 primers and 571 powder with Remington Sure Shot cases. Besides they look nice. There is even an older ruby red Remington hull that really looks great. The challenge is half the fun.
Ron

Some Continental European cases still take that size. Worth hanging onto but 2,000 will take some time to use up. Lagopus.....

They fit the eight gauge industrial hulls that most eight gauge shooters use. I have plenty of 57 primers to keep me in eight gauge reloads for a lifetime plus a few years.

Guess I'll have to look for some old 16 gauge Remington hulls, I know they do show up; then dig out my old Lyman books. Maybe I can locate some other 8 gauge shooters too.
Thanks guys.

Jack K

True, they will fit the Remington Industrials (goodness knows why they have a different size) I ream out and use standard size ones. Maybe some 6 bore loader may make an offer. Lagopus.....

57 fit some brass cases, I sold a lot of 10 bore brass and 57 primers were required for Alcan.

bill

lagopus, many modern 8 gauge industrial hulls don't have a different size primer pocket, but they do have an extra layer of brass over the base and into the pocket that makes the pocket smaller and the base of the hull bigger to prevent those three ounce industrial boomers from being used in old duck guns. I don't ream out the primer pockets on my paper Winchesters, I just peel the second layer of brass away.

Eightbore, how do you manage to do that? I have a large stock of used Remington ones and pass them through a re-size die that I had made. I have some Winchester cases but find that the re-sizer does not make them fit for some reason. I have not gone into why in detail. As I have several hundred of these Winchester ones and would like them for use with black powder can you tell me how you peel the outer layer away? Such a process would prove most useful. Thanks. Lagopus.....

Are the Winchester ones you've got the clear plastics or old paper? The clear plastic ones are the dogs dangles, best 8 gauge hulls I've ever seen.

Destry

The clear plastic Winchesters are good, they take a roll crimp well......they do spit a basewad every now and then though.

Best,
Mark

The Winchesters that I peel are papers, not quite modern, but industrial shells, not original shotshells. First I deprime the shell. I then use a machinist's saw to make a small diagonal cut at the top edge of the second layer. This cut allows a little point of brass to protrude. Do not cut into the main base of the shell. I grip this protruding point with a needle nose pliers and roll it onto the pliers until it is ripped to the rim area. Then everything falls away and you are left with a shell that will fit in a shotgun and takes a 209 size primer. I don't know whether the more recent empties are two layer or not.

Eightbore, thanks for the tip. I will have a try at that. The Winchester empties that I have are all the clear plastic ones with a red stick on paper lable. I have hundreds of them but for some reason they do not fit the gun after going through the sizer but the Remingtons fit perfectly. Lagopus.....

Do your clear plastic Winchesters have the separate extra layer of brass?

Yes, they appear to. May have a go this afternoon. Lagopus.....

Do you find the clear plastic and the paper casings better to use than the Remington Industrial black?

The clear plastics are definitely better, I've heard of guys having the base wads break loose in the black Remingtons.

I've never seen any clear Winchesters with a double layer of brass. Your's must be older, that's interesting.

All the ones I have and have seen are a single piece brass where the extra metal is just raised a bit. They resize much easier than the Remingtons according to Armbrust.


Destry

Where can you get the clear or paper hulls?

Looking at them it may be that they are raised brass after all as I couldn't get anything to separate. Can't figure out why they won't fit when passed through the sizer but the Remingtons will. Lagopus.....

That's odd, my friend Barry in Dorset uses the Winchester ones for his Tolley underlever just fine. And that's what Armbrust does his loads in as well, I've fired quite a few of them through my Churchill.

http://www.precisionreloading.com has the clear Winchester hulls.

I may have spoken too soon on the Remingtons, I didn't realize that the newer ones are black again. For a long time the new hulls were green, if you saw black or yellow they were pretty old. It was the older black ones I'd heard of problems with. Apparently the new black ones have a unibody type hull.


Destry

Any chance of locating a couple of handfulls of paper hulls?

Destry I didn't think you reloaded ?

Markethunter, I'm sure there is nothing wrong with them. The odd thing is when I resize the Remington ones they fit, but pass the Winchester ones through the same sizer and the gun will not close on them. I will experiment with another sizer but I still have a huge bag full of Remingtons to go through. I wondered if the rims might be slightly thicker. Lagopus.....