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Swamprat,
Gallyons in the UK have the Scott records and may be of help. If you can get a good digital picture of the proof marks, the historian at the Birmingham proof house can "read" them for you and can recount the history of the marks.
These things you can do yourself,but nothing is as good as the word of a competent gunsmith.
The cost of this gun is so high I hope you took the time to consider some of the London made guns. That price will buy you one hell of a Grant.
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The stock dimensions,weight and chokes suggest a pigeon gun so the Silvers pad could be original however the quality of the wood does not seem up to usual Scott standards,especially an Imperial. I suspect a restock,although very well done. Beautiful action.
Terry The oak leaves suggest it was built for the American market. The guy that ordered it might have wanted strong straight grain wood ? "If" it is a restock I agree it's an amazing job....and I would expect fancier than normal wood on a restock. Fair price if the mechanics are up to par...with today's economy he might get a lot fairer.
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The gun at Galazan's just can't tip my scale so to speak. I've looked and looked at it. But I just can't love it, the wood, the pad, the weight of the gun, no not for me, I'll keep shopping. Plus, the thrill is in the hunt. It took me a while to figure this little jewel out. But, If the Tonster would discount the gun and you could have it re-stocked, now, that might work. You would have to do the math and want to be involved in such a "mess". But, either way, good luck.
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I'm no expert by a long shot but there are some on here that are real experts.....then there are some guys (like Mike) that are expertz at falling into money pits.  Justify this statement or shut up. You have no idea what I paid for this gun, nor what the renovations are costing. Yes, you considered purchasing a Scott of mine that was being sold on consignment. It didn't meet your standards. Move on.
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I have wanted an English "Best Sidelock" for sometime. A Holland or Purdey is simply out of my price range. I really like the gun for the engraving, the long Whitworth barrels, and the chokes. The plain stock is a bit of an oxymoran for this grade of gun, and I do not have an objection to the plain stock, if it is original. I would not bother to restock the gun, but wonder why someone would restock this grade gun, with a plain stock, when the cost to upgrade the wood is minimal compared to the labor cost? My criteria on buying almost anything, is can I recover most of my money if I need to sell? I live in Montana, and don't know any competent English gun authorities. Thanks Lon
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Lon,
For $20k I am confident that you will find a London gun with Whitworth barrels and beautiful engraving,and a much nicer looking stock. It doesn't have to be a Purdey,The other London makers are just as notable. Why not make some enquiries amongst the dealers,and see what's available.
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Sometimes you need to listen to what people are saying! I'm out on this one, and really appreciate your help. I would value other comments pro or con on this gun as a learning experience. Lon
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Welcome Swamprat. One thing to remember with English guns is that nothing is standard. I have fairly high quality guns with very plain stocks and lower grade guns with superbly figured stocks. Also you will find guns on one style with the features of another because the purchaser ordered it that way. One thing for sure is that you will never stop learning about them. Lagopus.....
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Swamp- Send it to Steven Dodd Hughes - he's in MT, right? I'm sure he charges a small fee to inspect a gun, but it will be money well spent. BTW: I would consider this gun: http://www.bullseyesportingarms.com/photos.php?id=108&category=ShotgunsThat gun is pretty darn new with nice wood and almost all its original finish. Offer $16,500 and see if he bites. If I had the dough, I would buy that gun in a heartbeat. BTW: if you buy it, be sure to have it inspected. I believe that gun has kicked around a bit. It's probably just typical trading-this-for-that stuff. You never know, though. It may have a wart that only a good 'smith can see. OWD
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A Steven Grant..there you go and for a little over what you wanted to spend!!!
Great gun building firm there one of London's best.
Looking at that lock it looks like its an eight pin lock, Grant's own???
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