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I would point out his original question was about Gambel quail. These are not comparable to Bob Whites, anything pen raised or grouse/woodcock. Nor are the shots comparable to birds shot close in heavy cover over dogs. Most Gambles will run and flush at 20 yds plus, just over the top of some creosote bush or jojoba, fly 100 yds and then hit the ground running. Later in the season it is not unusual for larger coveys to flush at 100yds or more and change zip codes. Anyone using a small load of shot had better be quite disciplined at passing up most of the flushes as beyond the range of a small .410 load.
For the toughest shooting you may ever attempt, hunt them on the steep slopes just below the cliffs. They will come straight down hill at incredibly steep angles just above the vegetation/rocks, pass within a few yards of the gunners lower on the slopes at speeds that make chukar and teal envious. I hope someday to hit one of those if ever I see it coming before it is level with me so I can get the gun accelerated enough to track it.
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I've used #8's in 1/2 oz .410 loads for Calif Vly Quail to some success. Will the 11/16 7 1/2oz load give better odds? Probably. For my little quail honey hole, a skeet choke .003-.005 and modified .008-.010 is a great combination with a .410
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Thanks every one for the advice. I have been looking for .410 with IC/M chokes to no avail. The Briley tubes sound interesting. Does this in any way affect my 28 Repro? I wouldn't want to do anything to this gun to change it at all.
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Look at the Ugartecheas at Lion Country Supply. They have basic boxlocks to sidelocks and claim to have a $200(looks like it's "up to $200) off sale on every gun in stock. They say they have a grade II in .410, now. JL
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I will. Lion Country is GREAT to deal with. Thanks
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I bring a larger bore along on all the hunts, just in case the birds don't cooperate. While I have hunted the .410 some, I always have a backup. But then, I'm not all that good a shot and birds in my area are mostly skitish and fast.
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Dunno anything about Gambles quail - don't have them around here. However, I'd second the recommendation for a Model 42. I've owned my share of "fine" .410 doubles over the years. While they are cool - the little built-to-scale sidelocks are made like watches - those super-light, tiny guns are very hard to shoot well. Also (for some reason no one seems to talk about this) a high percentage of .410 SxS's have terrible bbl regulation problems. A 42 has its own sort of "cool factor" and enough weight and heft to be shot well, but not so much as to lose the benefit of being a .410. I no longer use my .410 for wild birds, but I shoot plenty of pen-raised birds over my pointy dogs with it. As others have said - works just fine with #7.5 shot within 20-25 yards, even on big birds.
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Greg, That 42 is a beaut. What load are you using? I used the Federal 3" 7 1/2 shot on a wild phez last year.
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Thanks - it's just a '40's vintage field gun upgraded by Bee and others.
I use any of the Big Three's 3" 7.5 loads. I load 2.5 inch .410, but don't try to load the 3" stuff - too fussy and I don't burn enough it for loading to be worthwhile.
Frankly I'm not all that happy with a Big Three loads - feel they could have more pep. At one point I bought a few boxes of Sellers and Beloit (spelling?) roll crimped loads that seemed (??) very snappy. I haven't been able to find them since.
In fact, those S&B cartridges were the loads used to harvest the big pile of birds shown in the pic (which were were only a small part of the bag that day). I work as a guide at a hunting club, we were doing a last day clean-up scratch hunt at the end of last March. As I recall, I killed 28 birds with the little gun that day (over my pointy dogs, of course) and lost none.
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Greg, I have a 28" plain barreled 42 in very good shape. I have a stock set that's from the late production high grade guns. I was thinking of sending it off to Roger Eubanks for a rib installation. Thought about having Angelo upgrade it and talked to him about it a couple years ago. I don't even know if he's still around. I've seen ads for guns he engraved stating "the late..."
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