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I think that the old 12mm. French walking stick gun cartridge had a great deal of influence on its development.

PeteM, that tranformation was worth the effort. I quite like the little .410, I have a double hammer by Stensby of Manchester, a single .410 converted from a rook rifle by Ebrall of Shropshire, a Belgian double, an AyA boxlock ejector and a really interesting one that is a double hammer gun with one barrel .410 and one barrel in .300 Rook rifle by Rosson of Derby. Lagopus.....

One more scan. While my 1903 UMC salesman's catalogue doesn't offer any shotgun shells smaller then 28-gauge, they offered to load up all these different rifle and pistol cartridges with shot.

Here's a full box of 2" 410 shells I have laying around. They are by United States Cartridge Co. and are called Selby loads. I always thought these were from around 1900, but can't remember why. Does anyone know the date of United States Cartridge Co. and what the meaning of Selby Loads was ?

Daryl,

The Selby smelting and lead company of San Francisco was around from the 1850's to the 1970's. The US Cartridge company was around from 1864 - 1932. It was purchased by Winchester in 1926.

Pete

What a fun thread! As much fun as....a .410!

Here is a little bit more 2" 410 stuff. Have more boxes and closers etc. playing hide and seek from me.

PeteM;
The little Jannsen garden gun is still tight enough to place a single layer of cigarette celophane between either barrel and pick the whole gun up, so I would say it is still on face It is maybe close to the 44xl, but in one of those jabc formats.

Researcher;
I respect your research and opinions, but think you should not rely so much on catalog hype.
Your posts about 2" 410's having a maximum of 3/10's oz of shot, made me wonder where you got your info from. I see it is from Western paper shells. You may consider the offerings in brass of the same period by US and monky wards. Given they were not probably considered as well as Winchester in the ammunition makers realm, but they were far from being in the class of "hand loads" One of these days I will succumb to breaking up some 25ct boxes and opening up the shells to see just what is in them, but NOT the sealed Peters squirrel box {even tho I would love to see what insert it has hidden in it}.
BTW, the '27 Hercules Sporting powders guide shown at the right has NO reference to 410 loadings.
D

DUVROCK Trap

will see if I can dig out some paper and boxes to go along with the 410 duvrock trap {was featured on some Peters 410 boxes} to PROMOTE the 410 for sport.
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Here's some very early Eley 2" ammo from the late 1800's:



And a small selection of odds and ends:

OK, it's not 410. After WWII Mossberg marketed the Targo for "back yard trap". Not as cool as the Duvrock















Pete

Pete, I wonder why Targo didn't seem to catch on. That is a funny looking contraption and I wonder what it does to the Mossberg gun dynamics.