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#133412 - 01/30/09 08:44 AM Merkel proof marks
montenegrin Offline
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I finaly received my prewar Gebrüder Merkel O/U double rifle from Germany today. Proof marks on action are Crown/U and Eagle, but funny thing is that I cannot find proof marks on barrels. Is it possible that they are hidden under wood fences? What I do see on barrels includes Merkel factory inscriptions, 8x57 J.R., BÖHLER STAHL, serial number, plus some letters.
Serial number is 21849, what year would that be?
Thanks,
Jani

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#133430 - 01/30/09 11:00 AM Re: Merkel proof marks [Re: montenegrin]
JayCee Offline
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Hello all,

Here is a photo of said Merkel that Jani sent:


JC
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#133615 - 01/31/09 11:19 AM Re: Merkel proof marks [Re: JayCee]
montenegrin Offline
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Well, a friend was here today and he did find a proof mark on the barrels: a badly struck eagle, actually only about 1/4 of the eagle as found on the receiver.
Still no visible date, so I'm eager to hear from gentlemen who might have a dated pre-war Merkel in similar serial number range.
Thanks in advance for any clue about dating my Merkel described above.
Kind regards,
Jani

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#133647 - 01/31/09 01:40 PM Re: Merkel proof marks [Re: montenegrin]
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You may find there are proof marks under the two narrow "strips" of wood above the usual forearm, that make up the "three piece" forearm. I guess that's what you term "wood fences." Yes, try there.

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#133729 - 01/31/09 09:08 PM Re: Merkel proof marks, serial numbers, years [Re: ChiefShotguns]
montenegrin Offline
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I made a quick Gebr. Merkel serial number - year of production research and here are the results:

10000 circa 1920
15654 8/1927
17012 1929
18914 3/1931
21849 1935 (Added by montenegrin - Febr. 9, 2009)
34874 12/1951
36582 12/1952
40496 1956
48181 1958
59826 1/1964
71829 1969
77667 1971
107321 5/1987

So my "educated guess" is that my Merkel #21849 was probably made in 1933 or 1934.
-Jani

P.S.: Thanks for posting the picture, JC - and I trust you had a nice birthday party!


Edited by montenegrin (02/09/09 09:20 AM)

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#133737 - 01/31/09 09:24 PM Re: Merkel proof marks [Re: montenegrin]
ellenbr Offline
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Jani:

I had also deduced 1933 using an invoice in 1926 for 14XXX and guessing Suhler Waffenwerk made an average of 1000 per year. I would say the data stamp would be on the lower tube. In a few of his Merkel articles, Mr. Apel of GGCA( http://www.germanguns.com ) mentions a Mrs. Weiss at Merkel who provides him with the work order info and specifics.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
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#133780 - 02/01/09 05:16 AM Re: Merkel proof marks [Re: ellenbr]
montenegrin Offline
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ChiefShotguns, I don't dare to remove the wood myself as the screws are perfect and my ability is far from it. Will leave this to an experienced gunsmith when the time comes.

Raimey, I did send an email with serial number to Merkel and they might forward it to Mrs Weiss. Anyway I expect their answer this coming week.

With kind regards,
Jani

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#133806 - 02/01/09 10:00 AM Re: Merkel proof marks [Re: montenegrin]
C. Kofoed Offline
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Monte,
Hope they find your gun records in Suhl (it looks very nice by the way).

For some reason the factory does not have the records of side by side production so others may want to take note.

Best,

C.

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#133836 - 02/01/09 02:06 PM Re: Merkel proof marks [Re: C. Kofoed]
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Jani,

If you can manage, I would love to see more photos of this gun. We don't get to see them very often.

Pete

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#133909 - 02/01/09 06:11 PM Re: Merkel proof marks [Re: PeteM]
montenegrin Offline
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C.,
Thank you for your kind words and good wishes. If I get some useful info from Suhl I will report here of course.

Pete,
This is my only photo at the moment but will try to get some more in the near future (after registration, etc.).

BTW According to old catalogs from 1930s my Merkel is model 222E.

With kind regards,
Jani

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