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#131413 - 01/19/09 10:01 AM Light 12 guage loads
Krull Offline
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Registered: 03/14/07
Posts: 29
Loc: Austin, TX
Due to the price and availability problems of getting light loads I'm getting a Mec Sizemaster. I want to load 3/4 or 7/8 oz. loads at about 1100 to 1200 fps. I've got a lot of AA hulls and a few Nitro's. And suggestions on powder, wads, etc.? I understand you may have to use a different wad for the lighter loads?
Thanks. Robert Krull

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#131422 - 01/19/09 11:07 AM Re: Light 12 guage loads [Re: Krull]
Ithaca5E Offline
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Registered: 02/07/08
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Loc: Ohio
It's really a pretty wide-open field. I'd start by keying up the Alliant website and see what they post in the way of light loads using, say, Red Dot. Since cost is one of your criteria, buy their Promo powder which goes for about $80+/- for an 8 lb. keg. Promo substitutes directly, weight for weight, with Red Dot and there are a lot of happy shooters out there lighting up Promo. With light loads, especially at the lower velocities, you will need a fast powder like Red Dot/Promo to get even ignition. Super Target or 700X should work well, too. Wads? I tend to spread the wealth as there are a lot of options there, too. A number of people (myself included) will report that Claybusters leave annoying plastic shreads in the barrel. Beyond that I don't think there is any magic formula or a particular brand of powder/primer/wad that you need to stand and die for.

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#131435 - 01/19/09 11:43 AM Re: Light 12 guage loads [Re: Ithaca5E]
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I have had uniformily good luck with 7/8 oz "book" loads using 700-X and Clay-Buster Lightning wads in 2 3/4" compression formed hulls. They are kind to old guns, the shooter, and the shooter's wallet.

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#131437 - 01/19/09 11:58 AM Re: Light 12 guage loads [Re: Rocketman]
Mark Ouellette Offline
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Registered: 01/28/07
Posts: 618
Loc: Michigan
I use Solo 1000 with 7/8 oz with good results. Even better is that with the right wads one can load these at close to 1200 fps and around 6000 PSI. I do get an annoying plastic buildup from the Claybuster wads but for 6000 PSI I'll put up with it! Oh, I of course load low pressure for use in older guns.

Check the Accurate Powder website to download their loading data:

http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/1000.htm

For that matter, check any manufacturer's website for their loading data!
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#131438 - 01/19/09 11:59 AM Re: Light 12 guage loads [Re: Rocketman]
Jent P Mitchell lll Offline
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Registered: 01/03/02
Posts: 293
Loc: Stephens City, Virginia
Hello Krull, Concerning the "AA" hulls made by Winchester, do you have the old style compression formed hulls or the new style Winchester AA Hull that are also known as AA HS Hulls ??? Either AA Hull will make a very nice light 7/8 ounce lead shot target load but I would avoid mixing them with some or maybe even most of the reloading recipes. Good Shooting To You, Jent --- send me an email and I will share with you what reloading formula we use with good success. jentpmitchell@msn.com

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#131444 - 01/19/09 12:40 PM Re: Light 12 guage loads [Re: Jent P Mitchell lll]
Stallones Offline
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Registered: 03/03/02
Posts: 1487
Loc: Republic of Texas
Robert,
I have used Red Dot and 700x with 7/8 oz loads and they are excellent. Out friend FH uses 700x only. Both are clean,fast and
great for light loads. However since you shoot some old doubles
I would try to keep the pressures under 7000 psi

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#131455 - 01/19/09 01:48 PM Re: Light 12 guage loads [Re: Stallones]
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Here's a link to Hodgdon Powder Co Youth loads. Scroll down to the bottom for the shotshell loads. There are 3/4oz 12ga loads in WinAA and Rem cases using Clays powder. They use the Fed 12SO wad in their load. I've used this exact load and also subed the Claybuster equivilent for the Fed 12SO for cost sake. I also have used this load with the Claybuster 1100 wad ( a Win clone) and have had excellent results but cannot tell you or advbise what if any pressure differences occur. The printed load is low enough pressure I felt to allow my substitute but it's my call there. I've fired thousands of these and find them perfect for me and the older guns I use. Cheap too!
I have lowered the shot load down as far as 9/16oz w/ a popcorn filler but thats about as far as you can go and you start to get some imperfect combustion,,but they still break birds. Back up to about 11/16 oz now.
http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Youth%20Loads.pdf

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#131456 - 01/19/09 01:48 PM Re: Light 12 guage loads [Re: Stallones]
Krull Offline
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Registered: 03/14/07
Posts: 29
Loc: Austin, TX
Thank you very much gentlemen. This gives me a good starting point. I haven't reloaded in 30 some odd years so I'm a bit out of touch. I'll check the hulls and try to determine which ones they are. I imagine they are the newer ones as I've been picking them up lately out on the field. Glad not as many people reload as they used to.
Leighton, if I had just thought a bit I would have mailed you directly as I certainly know you reload and have a gun or two as old as mine if not older. I didn't know FH reloaded for shotguns though.
Thanks again. I know where to start now on powder and wads so that's a big help.
By the way, has anyone loaded 3/4 oz. in 12 gauge? I've heard that is a real nice load.
Robert Krull

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#131476 - 01/19/09 04:10 PM Re: Light 12 guage loads [Re: Krull]
eeb Offline
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Registered: 04/11/05
Posts: 524
Loc: Virginia
American Select is also an excellent powder of which I use quite a bit. There are a lot of 7/8oz loads out there, and one rule of thumb I have been told and found true is a 7/8oz load needs to be pushed at least to 1,200fps to get a good pattern. I have just started using American Select at 1,300fps. The psi is around 7,000 and my patterns open up a little more with the added velocity. I use this in tightly choked damascus doubles and it is proving to be an great load. In regards to 3/4oz loads, there are a couple good recipes using Clays and the 12SO wad, but as has been mentioned, Promo and Red Dot are good powders. In the Oct/Nov issue of Clay Shooting (I think that was it) magazine there was a long article on 3/4oz loads. It seems the author got better results when the loads were pushed faster. Try 8 1/2 size shot for more pellets per load.

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#131490 - 01/19/09 05:01 PM Re: Light 12 guage loads [Re: eeb]
Labowner Offline
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Registered: 08/03/08
Posts: 52
Loc: NH
I would be interested in a couple of 7/8oz loads using 700x, I already am using it for low pressure 5000 psi 1oz. loads. I've been unable to find a 7/8oz. load using AA's and maybe the 209p Remington primer. Thanks for any help.
Bob

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