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400,
Also noticed that s/n 17 (pictured above) is also missing view marks on the water table.
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It would not need any, as it never made it to the UK.
Bernard was French and did not need (at that time) proof mark of any kind.
I have a French made double rifle with Bernard barrels and no proof mark either (8 Lebel, 1898 vintage).
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But Gad, Lads, why 3" chambers on a 5-1/2 lb. 12 bore? Luckily some iidiot didn't start beating it up with modern 3" ammo. Chopperlump
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John, 5.5 lbs is awfully light for a 30 3/4" barreled 12 ga., have
you checked barrel wall thickness on it?
Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought stupid,than open it and confirm.
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Terry,
No I haven't, but you are right, I should.
I agree that the gun is light. The barrels are the lightest I have ever seen or handled.
Thanks,
John
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I also have a 20 ga set of Leopold Bernard Barrels that are fluid steel I wonder if post 1890. Jeff G.  
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John, you forgot Matska #177 with double barrel set I owned some time ago, I brought it from Finland.
It looked like twin to your boxlock, but weight was 3,2 Kg with 28" barrels. Second set of barrels was heavy 32" for goose and swans. Both bbls made from Witworth steel by John Kilby.
Both barrels had only the first provisional London proof.
Your gun been imported to UK before importing to US, that's why we can see full set of London proofs on flats.
The gun #17 has made in 1883.
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Geno,
Thanks for that information, I just added it. I believe I read about a .410 Matska located in Russia. Do you know of it?
Did #177 have view/proof marks on the water table?
John
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One more Matska' famous gun #257 made in 1900 for S.Buturlin and for your list.
24G two barrel set, smooth and paradox, weight 3.4 kg, bbls length 26". System by Ivashentsev and Buturlin with Daw lever and Scott's locks.
Now this set is in Gerd's Museum in Izhevsk.
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Geno,
Thanks for that information, I just added it. I believe I read about a .410 Matska located in Russia. Do you know of it?
Did #177 have view/proof marks on the water table?
John .410 gun known as Niki-II son's gun. It's located in St.Petersburg Museum of Artillery. I can't get access to this gun still, but been promissed. All Matska's guns with Witworth steel barrels have only one proof - the first provisional proof mark, exept those guns been imported to UK and later spreaded around the world. Buturlin's gun #257 have barrels made from Krupp steel.
Geno.
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