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#114313 - 09/25/08 09:49 AM Missing Mannlicher Schoenauer Clip
Daryl Hallquist Offline
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A friend has a Model 1908 Mannlicher Schoenauer 8x56 ms , take down, that is missing it's clip. Can anyone give directions to where he might find one ?
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#114330 - 09/25/08 12:51 PM Re: Missing Mannlicher Schoenauer Clip [Re: Daryl Hallquist]
Mike Armstrong Offline
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Hmmm--do you mean it's missing the guts of its internal rotary magazine, or is he wanting a stripper clip to quick load that magazine?

Or is this not really an MS, but rather a sporter based on the Steyr 1895 action, which would require a clip, but probably wouldn't use 8x56 MS? You can find anything in European custom rifles, but the rimless 8x56MS would be unusual in the 1895- actioned Steyr; most of them would be 8x50R or 8x56R, wouldn't they?

If it's an MS and all the original rifle is there, you don't actually need a clip.

If it's an MS missing its magazine rotor and spring, that could get costly. Someone on the forum may know of a source and whether the rotor is caliber-specific (I.E. can you use the 6.5x54MS rotor for the 8x56? If so, you might look for a military surplus one from Springfield Sporters or someone with Greek military surplus parts).

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#114353 - 09/25/08 03:21 PM Re: Missing Mannlicher Schoenauer Clip [Re: Mike Armstrong]
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Daryl, have you tried the gentleman at http://www.mannlicherschoenauer.com ? Paul Driscoll

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#114397 - 09/25/08 07:44 PM Re: Missing Mannlicher Schoenauer Clip [Re: Mike Armstrong]
Daryl Hallquist Offline
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Mike, it's missing the entire magazine. Nice gun, but just void of the magazine.
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#114425 - 09/25/08 10:26 PM Re: Missing Mannlicher Schoenauer Clip [Re: Daryl Hallquist]
Mike Armstrong Offline
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Yikes! I don't even want to think what it would take to fabricate that rotor..... Stoegers used to import the MS and had parts lists in the old Shooters Bibles. Wonder if there is anyone left who knows what happened to those parts when they dropped them (if they ever actually stocked them).

You need an MS expert, which I simply am not. Hope one comes along (any help from the German Gun Collectors Assn? Yeah, I know MSs aren't "German German," but they might know of a parts cache....).

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#114460 - 09/26/08 09:51 AM Re: Missing Mannlicher Schoenauer Clip [Re: Mike Armstrong]
Daryl Hallquist Offline
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Mike and Paul, thanks. I am a bit hamstrung on answering questions on the rifle as I have not seen it and am not really familiar with the model. I'll forward your info to my friend, in Belgium, and hope something good comes of it. Daryl
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#114475 - 09/26/08 11:46 AM Re: Missing Mannlicher Schoenauer Clip [Re: Daryl Hallquist]
waterman Offline
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You might take a look at the innards of an old Savage 99. There might be some ideas in there.

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#114513 - 09/26/08 03:16 PM Re: Missing Mannlicher Schoenauer Clip [Re: waterman]
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The magazine assembly from a M1903 will interchange with the M1908. If you can locate a magazine assembly from a surplus Greek Model 1903 6.5M/S military rifle, you'll be most of the way home as they are the same as the M1903 commercial model as far as the magazine goes. The difference comes in the rotor which is machined for the specific cartridge. There is very little difference in the two, but placed side by side you can see the difference and it is primarily in the neck area of each cartridge carier on the rotor. Obviously the neck of the 8x56M/S being larger in dia. than the 6.5M/S, that portion of the rotor is slightly larger in it's radius cut. The portion where the cartridge body lays seem to be the same but the 8x56 may also be a bit larger as that cartridge has a slightly larger diameter but not by much. The neck angle does not appear to have to be altered or moved IIRC. The 8x56 cartridge does not quite lay horizontal in the 1903 magazine as it should (for perfect feeding) because 6.5 neck machined into the rotor is up higher than where a 8x56 neck area would be. I think a careful machinist could alter one with a properly ground ball end mill in the neck area of the rotor of each of the cartridge carriers of the 6.5 caliber rotor.
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I can post some pics later on of a 1903 and a 1908 magazine with a 8x56M/S cartridge in place on each if it will help to better explain what I've tried convey above. I'll have to dig the pieces out of the pile first!
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Springfield Sporters in PA has complete magazine assemblies for the military Greek 1903 as well as separate parts.
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#114529 - 09/26/08 04:44 PM Re: Missing Mannlicher Schoenauer Clip [Re: Kutter]
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Gunsmith Steve Nelson (ex-sec'y ACGG) knows something about M/S magazines, he grafted one of the rotary magazines onto a Mauser 98 action. Calls it a Mauserlicher. He is in Corvallis, Oregon, email is nelsons-custom@comcast.net. I am sure he could adapt a Greek military magazine to the 8x56.

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#114530 - 09/26/08 04:49 PM Re: Missing Mannlicher Schoenauer Clip [Re: mkbenenson]
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I have have seen the Mauserlicher in person, He was one table over at our collectors show a few years back. Neat stuff.
Steve
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