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Re: Systeme Leclercq Leclerc
The Double D #99755 06/23/08 11:19 PM
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Re: Systeme Leclercq Leclerc
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Double D,

Thanks for posting those pictures. I always find these little guns interesting. Especially the early examples. Nice! You should hold on to that one.

I think as late as the 1960's Beretta was making a folder. So they have a long tradition in Europe.

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I still would like to learn a bit more about the LeClerc System. If any one has any references, I am listening
Re: Systeme Leclercq Leclerc
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If that is a small case 'u', it would be 1942 date of proof.

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Re: Systeme Leclercq Leclerc
Drew Hause #100416 06/28/08 11:53 PM
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I took the buttstock off this after noon and found the makers mark on the tang.



This is the mark for Leon Rotsaert of Liege.

One of the inspector marks is star over R and that is Adolphe Delcommune who was an Inspector from 1952 to 1960.

I can not make that date stamp anything but a u and the date 1942.
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Originally Posted By: The Double D
I took the buttstock off this after noon and found the makers mark on the tang.



This is the mark for Leon Rotsaert of Liege.

One of the inspector marks is star over R and that is Adolphe Delcommune who was an Inspector from 1952 to 1960.

I can not make that date stamp anything but a u and the date 1942.


Very well done!.

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Leon or Leonard ( I have 2 versions of his 1st name ) Rotsaert 1st registered that mark in 1920. I don't have a lot of information on him. If some one has more, I hope they will contribute it. The date mark is most likely μ(mu)1955.

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Re: Systeme Leclercq Leclerc
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I have looked and looked at that date code from every angle and with different type light and I couldn't make anythign but a u out of it. I also thought μ(mu) but can not pull that out of the date code. It would support Adolphe Delcommune mark being there, that is for sure.

I have a greater concern with the u mark. 1942 in Belgium? That was during height of the Nazi occupation...was it business as usual? Would gunsmiths have just gone about there business building sporting arms?

Then there is the question of what brought this rifle to South Africa?

Oh if only it could talk.
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Originally Posted By: The Double D
I have looked and looked at that date code from every angle and with different type light and I couldn't make anythign but a u out of it. I also thought μ(mu) but can not pull that out of the date code. It would support Adolphe Delcommune mark being there, that is for sure.

I have a greater concern with the u mark. 1942 in Belgium? That was during height of the Nazi occupation...was it business as usual? Would gunsmiths have just gone about there business building sporting arms?

Then there is the question of what brought this rifle to South Africa?

Oh if only it could talk.


That is why I think it is not a u. It was not business as usual during either war in Belgium. During both they were occupied. Sporting arms were not the priority of the occuping force.

Africa makes alot of sense. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Congo For a more critical acccount http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/leopold.html Many Belgian firms made fire arms for the Africa trade. How this piece made it to South Africa would be a fascinating history.

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Re: Systeme Leclercq Leclerc
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Tomorrow this little gun get's it's test, Goin to take it out hunting Huns. Wish me luck, I'll need it!
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Well We didn't find any huns, but we did have a enjoyable walk out across the prairie and this little gun carried as light as a feather.
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