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The wood looks very German to me ..... I had a table from germany with almost the exact carving .....

Al

ellenbr - Pauly worked with Durs Egg in England. Egg built a couple of Pauly guns, one of which is in the royal collection today still in the case with all cartridge making accessories.

After Pauly and Egg got together, Pauly abandoned his gun experiments and went full fledged into dirigible airship design. Egg financed Pauly's "Dolphin" which eventually failed and lead to financial ruin for both Pauly and Egg.

In all of my studdies, I can't find any evidence that Pauly was a gunmaker himself. He always shared a shop with an established gunmaker and worked on design. Pauly guns were made by Prelat, Robert, Egg, Roux, Lefaucheaux etc. Think of it like the Anson & Deeley Patent and all those who made guns on that patent.

Many of them included changes to the Pauly patent, like the gun made by Robert in 1832, which included a very Pauly like cartridge, that had a nipple for a percussion cap in the back instead of the Pauly Rosette.

Sadly, many of the Pauly-like guns were a regression of the Pauly patent, rather than a progression.

It appears to have been made by a poor Bangdaglesian hoping some
Moron in America would buy it from him.
The initials are probably not his as he would be afraid of a lawsuit after it explodes on the first shot.

My first impression of the gun, and the same impression I get right now, is that it is a cheap trade gun made for the African market and very much like the ones shown in my Stoeger 1949 catalog reprint. Doubles with carved stocks, strap brass guard, superficial engraving and cheap locks. The one I have leaning in the corner is stamped Spain on the top of the breech. I know nothing of the barrel grooves but imagine them simply decoration easily machine accomlished.

As for the Pauly, here is a photo I shot of the one belonging to Daryl's and my close friend. I did some rather delicate restoration on the gun and wrote a story about it for an early issue of Shooting Sportsman.

(This photo looks little odd because it is a scan of two magazine pages)
The Pauly had a stock carving remotely similar, but vastly more complcated than the gun presented here. They may hve been done on the same continent, but that would be the only commonality to this double in question.
Best,
Steve

I spoke with that Bangdaglisian on the phone the other day about my credit card. He found new employment!

Kevin:

Can you source me on the Pauly-Prelat connection?

First, in no way did I intend to infer that PeteM's find was made by Pauly. I would agree that it is a lower end longarm w/ French tubes and not worth the 6 "C" Federal Reserve Notes as the reserve.

But if the texts that I have read are correct, taking Pauly out of the equation would be the equivalent of taking the pen of inspiration from Tolstoy. His contact or influence w/ the following apparently directed the course of firearm technology: Johann Nikolaus von Dryse, Casimir Lefaucheux, Henri Roux, Eugene Pichereau, Clement Pottet, Bastin of Paris thru Lefaucheux, Francotte thru Lefaucheux, Robert(patent #8061 of April 27, 1831 - cartridge) and LePage. From "Systeme Lefaucheaux", "While Lefaucheux' 1835 breechloading pinfire shotgun, like Pauly's breechloader of 1812, was almost totally ignored in Britian, their designs spawned scores of related inventions in France." Also, William Greener left this world denouncing breechloaders describing them as "specious pretence". But Joseph Lang from the 1851 London Great Exhibit, considered the Lefaucheux such a novel idea that he developed his own version, (possibly without giving proper credit). - Michael McIntosh - "Shotguns and Shooting".

If England had embraced Pauly and/or his technology he may, or may not have, ventured into shaky ventures.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

from the description and the few I can see under the barrel, it was proof in St Etienne before 1856.
geoffroy

A cheaply made piece. The stock wood puzzles me. Almost want to say it's one of the tropical hardwoods that were commonly coming out of Africa to Europe in the mid-1800's.

Looks alot like oak.

Kevin, Raimey, and Steve, thanks for the Pauly info. Intersting subject and I see lots of people have given thought to Pauly. There is not enough written on him and the guns he inspired.