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The original thread started out with me trying to find out about the sliding double with "abeille" stamped on it. Find out...i.e., Who may have made it? Where was it made? When might it have been made? Anyone ever seen or heard of such a gun? Anyone have any details on such a gun, such as which companies made such actions? I was only hoping to learn a little more about it, and to determine whether or not pursuing the restocking of said gun would be an option many would favor or would not favor. No offense to the masses, and while I don't know him personally, Robert has been a great help. There are others who have added important info. as well, and I appreciate it. However,several of you, in an attempt to criticize Robert, have contributed nothing whatsoever to this conversation, except to get Robert pissed off and off track trying to defend himself...something he really shouldn't have to do. Defend himself to you? I'm the one asking the questions here. If you have a question for Robert or anyone else, start you own damn subject. Those of yOu who have nothing to add but smart, cute little one liners in an effort to look cool among you gun-nerd buddies, find something a little more useful to do with your time, or start you own subject. Thanks again to those who chose to keep the conversation informative and positive.

Francique Darne is not a sub-quality product. It is very well made with different era and different owner more or less lucky in the quality. By and large very good.
But is is not a Darne, it is a copy made by his son who did not want to work with the father... Francisque could use the Darne patent as many other makers did. He have the same name than Regis Darne but that is not enough to make his gun a Darne.
I am sure there is many similar stories.
What ever you think you can say anything in this thread.

So gg, is there a possibility that this is what I might have, or are there specific markings associated with Francique Darne guns as well?

Mr Chamber...after reading many of your frenzied posts...I have come to the conclusion that you are a NUTTER.
You may well have a wealth of stuff on old guns, but the way you bicker n bitch just turns me off totally.
I'd much rather listen to good old Lowell pose a funny weird one than hear you rant & rave about pecking orders & who said what to who & when & why.....I just don't think you have the right "headspace"
to fit in with the rest of us.
Think what you like...I'll not respond if you get back to me...its just my opinion & won't be changed by anything you say.
Chill or Check out
nothing personal of course
Franc Otte

You have an Abeille for sure but you can dream of what you want. So many makers could have sold the action in the white. Not Darne.
It could be really what you wish. It could be Bonapartiste special order, their logo was the Abeille...maybe for a secret society trying to promote a coup d'etat.
So far I am really in the thread.

Geffroy, I mentioned the Sarasqueta name above because it is a similar case.

Don Víctor made fame for himself with good products, but there are several relatives with the same name that made/make sub-par guns. They may have the same name but they are not the real McCoy.

JC

So who are yOu voting for Ted or Robert ?

I do not want to wade into this. This is for beagledogxxx.

A search for L'ABIELLE Fusil turned up this catalog.
http://www.dustyoldbooks.com/cgi-bin/boo...logues&pg=1
Apparently this 1935 catalog says L'Abielle was a gun and ammunition maker. At least that is what I get from the description. They did make hammerless shotguns.... might be worth picking up if you have one of their guns.



A reseller for Verney-Carron, L'Abeille in Lamoraye, 33 Avenue de la Libération
http://www.verney-carron.com/pages-fr/liste-revendeurs.htm

A book on Darne no bees, but he does cover some interesting subject matter about non-darne darne's. (Currently only in French, but heck my French is limited and I stumble by.. )
http://cgi.ebay.fr/LES-FUSILS-DE-CHASSE-...VQQcmdZViewItem

A website with some Darne models
http://www.fusildarne.com/html/anglaisdarne.htm
Too bad there is not a website that documents all the models and variations,eg like the Fox, Parker or LC Smith sites. That alone would be a great help. (Hint, Hint)

And to be totally off the wall, L'Abeille is a work by Franz Shubert, a Masonic symbol and a symbol for the house of Medici, who did not commission Leonardo for this gun.

Pete

Please,
Before we all leave this thread, I think it's worth noting that JayCee made 12 posts on this thread...he did nothing to further the understanding of this subject (right or wrong) ...he did zero research...he posted zero data.. only a photo of his gun #71511...he waisted everybodies time with his posts which served only to agitate and incite (11 times on this thread alone)...he contributed nothing but to show off his gun and try to suck up to Larry's weak position.

There is no doubt that I'm probably the surliest member still willing to face these guys...Before we all move on, I think it's important that we all get a handle on exactly what caliber person JayCee truly is...don't take my word for it...go back and read his posts ...on this thread alone, he has proven himself to not only NOT contribute, but to consistantly fan the flames.

JayCee has shown his true colors...read it for yourself...

PeteM,
Please forgive me...I tried to honestly answer Beags question, and although I wasn't correct at every post, I based my answers in reason and verifiable source...unfortunately I was forced to defend every word tooth and claw.

Beag,

I got your mailing address and I'll send out the stock early next week...I'm especially sorry for the way these guys treated your thread...they do it to everybody...please don't think that everyone is arguementitive here...it's only a few...and I give it right back to them...I'll save your email address in case I come into any more Abeille info...Bob Chambers