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B/D you posted the thunbnail, you need to open the regular large photo and use the img tag on it. If I want to post more than 1 photo , I paste them to a file in M/S Word, then paste them to the page here. Here is 1 of your photos full size. Jim 
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Was afraid the pics full size would take up too much room but if you click the link above them you can view them all full size. Sorry for the confusion.
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I was informed that this is a Darne copy made between 1905 and 1939. It has the St Etienne stamp but no Darne name anywhere. Still a beautiful gun in need of a new stock, so that is next. thanks
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Beagle, all I can tell you from the photos is that your gun has the normal (single) St. Etienne proof (it's quite common for Darnes to have double or triple proofs) and 2 1/2" chambers. Ted the Darne expert will probably be along to add more. Good luck putting that old girl back into shooting condition!
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It is a Darne copy all right-model R, but, can't be sure if it is 1894 or 1909-I can't see the lower metal clear enough.
I have never seen that exact name on a sliding breech gun, and I thank you for posting the photos.
I'm going to be candid. The gun will not be worth anywhere near what it costs to put a new stock on it. It is very easy to end up, as the car dealers put it, "backwards" into a gun like this. This is by no means a high grade gun, and unless it has extreme sentimental value to you, I'd suggest you leave it where you found it. Low grade Darne R clones are a very tough sell, and, moreover, a Darne is an aquired taste. Make no mistake, those that love the design make very good use of them, but, a Darne is by no means everymans gun. While you may be fascinated today, that feeling won't last once you shoot 0 for 25 on skeet, sporting clays, or, whatever, and have more into it than you can ever get out.
Have you ever used a sliding breech gun? Do you like/enjoy/shoot very well with same? Now is a very good time to think about that.
With a bit of looking, a similar, shootable, if not perfectly fitting Darne or clone of same should turn up in the sub $1500 dollar price range. Sometimes, they turn up for a lot less than that. On a low grade, you can feel OK about having a gunsmith work the stock up or down, or extending the buttstock to fit you. Restocking, however, any good double gun, doesn't come cheap.
I wish you good luck in whatever you eventually decide to do.
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Ted
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Following Ted Schefelbein comment:
Why 1909, are you looking for barrel maker or "normal" stamp?
Something else ?
Thank you
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Ted's comments about restocking make a lot of sense. I've handled a bunch of Darnes but only owned one. It had been beautifully restocked, friend of mine had it done by a stockmaker friend of his. Unfortunately, that stockmaker was mostly into trap guns. The result was a Darne that probably gained a good pound of weight from the original, and the balance was very un-Darne-like.
For hunting, if you're used to the normal tang safety, a Darne safety also takes some getting used to.
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Geoffroy,
Position of safety-it is in the lower metal and a rocker style on an 1894 patent gun, in the breechblock, and a rotating lever on a 1909 patent gun.
I can't tell from the above pictures, exactly what type of gun he has. I also can't tell if it would be a two piece stock, or a one piece stock. Most 1894 patent guns use a one piece stock.
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Beag,
Please allow me to apologize for Larry Brown turning your request for information into a venue for his personal "lesson teaching"...
Now that these guys have pronounced your gun "dead" in the water...would you like to finally know what your gun is? And the best course of action?
I hope that you don't think that I "hajacked" your last thread. I was trying to answer your question (I asked clarification of the mark, L, or no L) when someone got their panties in a bunch because I misspelled abeille. Suggesting that data was completely flawed because of a grammatical error. He screwed you...the chances of any other researcher coming forward with info after that unjustified attack is zero. I hope he apologized to you formally.
Did you think that it was I who hijacked your thread?
Do you still want to know more about your shotgun?
Should I give more time for them to put the nails in the coffin, before I explain what your gun is?
Perhaps you've lost interest by now....
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