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I knew they had come to some sort of reciprocal agreement. That explains it very well. Just curious as to why, since there was such an agreement, Scott would be putting Purdey 1104 Patent Use # on his gun. You usually have to pay for the number. I went down the patent use # rabbit hole a few years ago but am always being surprised.

eeb, It is entirely possible that your Scott is a Premier grade because I had a 12 bore Premier with the exact same water table markings, except mine was Purdey patent use no. 4625 and S/N was 5160. It had all the Premier patented features as yours does, with No engraving. My understanding is that oftentimes a pigeon shooter would order a best grade gun with no engraving , but the best grade wood, action, and barrels. Mine also had Stanton marked best rebounding locks. Your gun is the second one I've seen sans engraving, but I believe it is right. That gun had cutting edge features considering it was built in the mid 1870's and Scott's quality was second to none. Enjoy it, Sandlapper

Mine is #5220 so the manufacture date is close to yours. I’ve wondered if it was a pigeon gun because it doesn’t have the bumps and bruises of a duck/hunting gun. Ten gauge guns were allowed in the pigeon ring until sometime in the 1880s. I’m sure there’s someone here who can confirm that. The chambers are really tight. I have to crank the MEC resizing collet down to put shells in the gun. The chambers aren’t as generous as my Parker hammerless.

Scroll down about 1/3 here for Live Bird rules
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1I_5GfGqfidbrfhpwzMvsccjDxjCd39M6nERp99wVEBQ/edit

January 3, 1878 Capt. A.H. Bogardus broke 5000 glass balls at 18 yard’s rise in 10 hours 40 minutes 35 seconds, missing 163, using a W&C Scott with 3 1/2 dram 1 1/4 oz. 8s.
https://books.google.com/books?id=DI4wAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA230&lpg

Jan., 1879 The Chicago Field Jamaica Plank Rd., L.I., New York
Brooklyn Gun Club vs. Philadelphia Gun Club, 8 guns per side. Only two Parker guns on the grounds. Mr. T.E. Broadway of the Brooklyners used a Parker 10 ga. with close choke weighing 9 1/2 lbs shooting 4 1/2 drachms of DuPont's Diamond Grade and 1 1/4 oz of Tatham's soft shot. For the Philly club, Mr. H.A. Burroughs shot a Parker 12 bore with medium choke weighing but 7 lb 14oz. He shot 4 drachms of Hazard's Electric Powder and 1 1/4 oz. of chilled #7 in the left barrel and #8 in the right.
W&C Scott was the choice for most shooters with a pair of Remingtons and a Moore and a Williams & Powell. I regret to say the New Yorkers took the contest 100-93 though the birds were a good lot, and many being white, were difficult to hit while close to the snow.


At the 1894 GAH at Live Birds guns were limited to 12 gauge and 8 pounds.

1898 GAH
John L. Lequin, secretary of the Interstate Association, writes us under date of Feb. 25 as follows:
“We have received inquiries from most all directions recently from a number of shooters who are probably desirous of entering the Grand American Handicap next month, concerning the weight of guns, and whether the handhold and recoil pad will be counted as a part of the gun when weighed. The subject has been placed before the Tournament Committee of the association, which committee has decided that the guns will be weighed naked.”
Rules limited a gun to no more than 8 pounds.

But the 1898 “Trap Shooting Rules” by the American Shooting Association (courtesy of Randy Davis) still listed 10g:
Charge of powder was unlimited
Shot was limited to 1 1/4 oz. by “Dixon’s measure”
Weight limit (there was no weight limit in 1890 or 1893) and ‘naked’ was not stated:
10g - 9 lbs. 4 oz.
12g - 8 lbs. 4 oz.
16g - 7 lbs. 12 oz.
20g - 7 lbs. 8 oz.
Single target rise……….Double target rise:
10g - 18 yds………16 yds.
12g - 16 yds……....14 yds.
16g - 14 yds……....12 yds..
20g - 13 yds……....11 yds.

Ed's gun is an 11 bore. In the 1882 Hurlingham pigeon shooting rules, it would have been allowed:
https://books.google.com/books?id=j..._r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false



And it's interesting - several of the Reilly shotguns in my database 10 bore or larger are not engraved.

Ed, we need some picture of the barrels and the rib. please.

I have a Scott 10, that is #7525 from 1876, per a Dr. Crawford letter. It has the #1104 patent "rotation number" 7387. It is a B grade, Stanton locks. The bbl proofs are not on the flats like eeb's, but out in front. I don't have a photo hosting site or I would show the letter and the gun.

I'll post them for you. email sent pm.

Here is Bret's Scott 10 bore: Of interest: The letter refers to the Scott moveable lump patent of 1870. The patent stamped on the Lump though is "CSA, Nov 1, 1873, Patent."









And here is the letter Bret referred to: What's perhaps is most interesting is the sentence in the letter: "For 14 years from the date of Purdey's patent, Scott (as others) paid a royalty to purdey for each gun." So if Scott was paying Purdey, Purdey must have likewise been paying Scott for his spindle? Is there a Scott patent number on Purdey guns during this period?

The barrels are '3 Iron British Best'
Interesting proof marks; 1875-1887 with 11B & 12M and NOT FOR BALL



But 'CHOKE' was used post-1887 so could have been reproved? Is that a capital 'R'?
What are the initials on the bottom rib?

Argo, thanks for posting the pictures, I am sorry they are not better quality. The adjustable lump pat. date is 1870.
Drew, that is something I never noticed? Since the choke markings are not directly on the bottom, were they stamped at a different time? There is some jug choke in one barrel, maybe it went back to the proof house afterwards? The bottom rib letters are "RH"